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[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Squadron 42 is feature complete and is in optimization and polish phase. 30-40 hour campaign. It looks amazing. This was released this weekend, played live not prerecorded.

https://youtu.be/1H-0x4xk2Xk?si=Q3SmA_skltVVUkiy

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

They released the game to the public this weekend? That is amazing.

Ohh, they didn't? This is still not available? The FPS spin off that isn't even the main game? They said it was played live but don't show anyone playing it live? They just made more promises, the thing they are still doing after 700 million dollars and more than a decade has passed?

Okay then.

[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

You sound like MAGAs discussing immigration under a Fox News post. Circle jerk of hate based on misinformation, but trying to talk reason to people who love to hate the thing they hate and don't want to stop is not going to work. Keep on believing gaming journalists from disreputable tabloids who invent controversy for clicks. The engagement on Star Citizen hate posts is massive compared to others. Hating Star Citizen is directly more profitable for these sites. There is no oversight on truthfulness in gaming news.

CitizenCon was this weekend. There has been an uptick in hit pieces posted this week. That isn't a coincidence. You are being being primed to react negatively to the content that will be posted from it.

No, it's not an FPS. It's 99% a space sim like Wing Commander with a few FPS parts. It is a full AAA game, maximum fidelity, 30-40 hour campaign. You don't even know what you're talking about. You could actually watch the video you have so many opinions about, but oh that's right, it's a conspiracy if it's good.

I have hundreds of hours in Star Citizen and have enjoyed them all. That's not very much compared to many, many others. They are growing in players and revenue for 10 years. That doesn't happen to bad games. They release massive updates every quarter. They just bought a new campus in Manchester so they can hire more devs, on top of the existing thousand. It's a genuinely fun game, right now, enjoyed by many. You don't have to be one of them, but your tinfoil hat nonsense is just vitriolic skepticism from reading these tabloids, not critical thinking.

We're out there, flying around, having a great time wanting y'all to join our space shenanigans. Just try it the next free-fly with an open mind. Even if you tried it before, try it now, it is improving every quarter, it's a different beast now than a few years ago.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

LMAO you’re the MAGA-parallel here.

Is it really “love to hate” or is it just that after a decade of failed and ignored promises and dates year after year after year nobody has any real faith. 65 million dollars in stretch goals and it’s still a fucking broken mess, endless examples.

The squadron demo fucking crashed when it was shown at the con, yet its feature complete but also not releasing until 2026.

Have you even seen the insanity that is the stretch goals? https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals

It’s all but a grift, and here you are defending the grifters. Maybe in ANOTHER decade they’ll actually deliver what people were promised (and paid for!) years and years ago.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Man, when you have to compare someone to literal fascists because they don't trust your untrustworthy videogame company, you have a problem.

[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I'm not, I'm calling them capitalist, investor run businesses, which they are. Inventing controversy is an ancient, reliable way to make money.

I'm calling star citizen haters a bunch of gullible cynics. There's an emotional element in people's need to hate star citizen. I think they've just been burned so much, any time something cool is promised, they automatically assume the worst. If Star Citizen delivers, it would be very, very cool and the hate is proportional. I'm having a great time in Star Citizen with a whole bunch of people right now. Anything else is just noise, be it promises from the devs or internet articles or salty people who can't just ignore this game if they don't like it like an adult.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Automatically assume the worst? WE’VE HAD OVER A DECADE to get to this point.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They're harpooning whales left and right, this isn't some irrational difference of opinion.

[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

So? A bunch a rich people voluntarily funding game development isn't some moral failing, it means they don't have to act like EA and Ubisoft to make a AAA game and I can get in for a good price. Attracting capitalist investors, as is traditional, is genuinely much worse. I paid $45 and have access to all the same content as the whales. I have hundreds of hours in game. If someone stupidly spends their life savings on pretend spaceships and regrets it, it's not on Star Citizen.

It's not like everyone has been tricked for ten years, we know what we buy when we buy it.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

they don't have to act like EA and Ubisoft to make a AAA game.

EA and ubisoft are shitting and pissing their pants with rage and jealousy because their own user base isn't gullible enough to do that to.

[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Everyone knows what they buy when they buy it. No one was tricked. People who play the game keep playing it because it's fun. EA and Ubisoft investors are indeed shitting themselves, using the magazines they own to twist this into a story to of failue because they aren't getting paid, while happily taking the ad revenue your misinformed salt provides.

People with opinions on Star Citizen but only know about it through the hive mind and shitty artices means nothing. Especially when they try to tell the people who actually play the game they are wrong about their own experiences because the hive mind says so.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People buying now more or less understand, but the cope early on in development was incredible, not to mention all the outright lies from the devs about SC and SQ42 dates.

"Almost finished" means "10 more years of polish." Who knew?

[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Jesus, go touch grass dude. If you don't like the toy I'm playing with, you don't need to devote this much energy trying to tell me I'm wrong for enoying it or being excited for more. It's a videogame. Who cares if it never comes out. I'm excited if it does, I've already got my money's worth if it doesn't. It's not worth this much energy to defend or denigrate. So I'm done. Post your misinformed opinions all you want, just try Star Citizen with an open mind one day during a free fly. Let's just play the games we like and ignore the others and be done with it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I don't criticize people that genuinely enjoy the ~~game~~ tech demo. I'm criticizing CIG. You're the one taking that personally.

[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's a genuine early access game. It's no more a tech demo than any other. You can be wrong about a game you don't play, refuse to try, and don't know anything about all you want. An uninformed opinion is valueless, a misinformed one is worth even less. We'll keep having fun in it without you.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Early access is one thing, production on this thing begin TWENTY GODDAMN ELEVEN.

thirteen years ago, that ain’t early access, that’s a fucking scam that ain’t ever delivering.

Who are you trying to sell this broken mess of lies to? This is the definition of sunk cost fallacy lol.

Yeah keep having fun without us in your thirteen year old tech demo!! We certainly won’t miss the broken mining ships, the random wipes, the endless bugs that toss you out of your ship into space for bumping into something. I’m sure they’ll get to all the stretch goals too, all 65million dollars “worth”! You really showed us

[–] warbond@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Every comment in these posts seems to be either "StarCitizen killed my family and dishonored my temple" or "can't believe people let SC kill their family and dishonor their temple."

Same old hate without real substance.

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Chris can shut up the haters just fine by finishing the game.

[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Why do you need to publicly hate at all? These people are enjoying a toy they aren't supposed to so now everyone has to hear your feelings on it? Y'all are nuts. Ignore the game if you don't like it like you do with every other game you don't like.

The haters can silence themselves by shutting up and touching grass. It's a videogame, not a genocide.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Broken promise after promise, missed release date after release date, broken feature after broken feature after every rework

it’s clearly a fucking 13-year-old scam, it’ll be goddamn voting age before it’s released.

[–] EchoCT@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"didn't show anyone playing it live." Uh. Clive was literally playing on stage during the showcase. Complete with yearly CTD and all.

I'm all for shitting on CIGs trash practices, but you don't need to lie to get there.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm just working off the video linked above. No video of the player, no commentary, no indication a person was actively playing it.

If they actually played it live, well bully for them. One point goes to star citizen.

[–] warbond@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The video is a redo from the guy who did it live at Citizen Con, because the demo crashed when they were onstage.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Okay, so they got the game "somewhat working" live? Well, that's something I guess.

I guess that explains why the commentor above posted a pre-recorded video instead of the actual live video that undermines his argument that the game is nearly done.

[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I posted that video because it was the first one I found, it's not a grand conspiracy to trick you, jesus. Get over yourself. Watch the actual live one then, I don't care. Still looks like a fun game.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

Looks like a fun game isn’t what is being discussed here.

What IS being discussed is if this so called “feature complete” game is ever gonna come out. If its feature complete how is it crashing in the first demo they show? 2026 is a long ways away for a feature complete game.

As a dev, I realize feature complete doesn’t mean done but it also doesn’t mean an extra two years lead time before release either.

Just like the rest of Star citizen, aspirational date after date with no serious commitment. What they do release is either a little or a lot broken. This shits been going on for over a decade, but yeah it’s totally different now (but like, not now, but in 2026!)

….but it lOoKs LiKe A fUn GaMe!!!!!!

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They claimed it was feature complete in 2023. And now they claim it is two years away from release. You really think polish and optimization takes three years? Of course, they've claimed it is just two years away every year since 2016.

They are lying to you.

[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Lol, one of us certainly has been lied to. Your last point is blatantly false, your first is based on your guess about how AAA game design works. Maybe it does take 3 years with a game this big, I don't know. I'll trust the many, many game devs who actually play the game and roll their eyes at comments like yours.

I've actually played the game, bought it and have no regrets. Hundreds of hours, new friends, new experiences. You passively absorbed the groupthink. I don't care if it ever finishes, I've gotten more than enough fun per dollar out this game already. Cry about it if you want, just do it quietly.

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've played the game since 2015 when all we could do was walk around a hanger. When it comes to where SQ42 is at, we are being lied to about where it is. Them saying at Citcon that SQ42 is just 2 more years away is a dead giveaway that they are absolutely no where near a release, and the 2026 year is pure fiction. Like I said, they've been saying 2 years away since 2016.

[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I remember that one hangar! Oh nostalgia. You should try it again there's a game there now.

They haven't been saying two years away every since since 2016. It's a running joke that they say it every year, but it's not actually happening. That one in 2016 made everyone facepalm, even employees. Chris Robert's is pathalogically optimistic about a lot of things, lol. Even in the Star Citizen community, we make fun of that sort of thing. We paid for Star Citizen early access, we have Star Citizen early access. If we get Squadron 42 as well, great! If not, it's not that big a deal. Disappointing, but the world will go on.

I think they believe their times when we say them. The scope of things said after the 2 years thing in 2016 increased by quite a bit when their funding had another boom. They aren't intentional lies so much as just being wrong an feature creep making dust of previous plans. But they have a lot more to show now than they did before, it is being made in good faith. It's just had a slow start to build the studio from nothing and a lot of budget increases.

It's definitely got a Duke Nukem Forever type problem. We will see a finished game one day, but the development has seen a lot of design changes partway through. We'll see if we end up with a mess, but we will end up with something, I believe. And again, if not, it's still just a videogame. We'll live.