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If the primary objective here is to engage in constructive dialogue, then name-calling and overgeneralization serve no purpose and only fuel the fire. The issue at hand has been conflated to be about political affiliations like Republican vs. Democrat, when that's not the core point of discussion at all. We're here to debate the merits and drawbacks of mod removal, not to stereotype one another based on our political leanings or otherwise.

I must point out, albeit reluctantly, that much of the stereotyping and overgeneralizing in this thread seems to be coming from those who are in favor of the mod's removal. This does little to advance a constructive conversation and only serves to deepen divisions.

If we're truly interested in finding common ground or at least understanding the other side of the argument, we need to stop dismissing each other's viewpoints out of hand. Only through respectful and open discussion can we hope to reach a resolution that considers the full complexity of the issue.

To confused people exploring from all Communities trying to understand what the hell is going on:

• Bethesda is a game studio who does a decent job of giving people choice to do/be whatever they want in their games. Out of the box they included the option to choose your pronouns in a new game called "Starfield".
• They also make it possible to modify their games to make very drastic changes to the player experience.
• Nexus is a site that hosts thousands of mods to all sorts of games. People make mods, upload them to Nexus and players download them.
• Someone made a mod to remove the option to choose pronouns from Starfield.
• Nexus decided they don't want to host this mod. It's hurtful to people and goes against their values of inclusivity.

That's about it. Most of the people whinging about censorship don't even play the game. They're just here to whinge about how the world is moving on from old bigoted ways and they want to stay in the past and be jerks to people for merely existing. If they actually cared, they'd just download the mod from some other site. The mod itself is probably not much bigger than this reply.

What difference does it make to anyone that people are doing this in their own game? It's not like this mod takes the option away for everyone. It doesn't. It only effects their own private game they're playing in their own home.

Wait, the mod removed the option to set a gender in the character editor? Why don't these people just make a male character and be done with it?

They finally give you something that controls how people refer to you in their games, and dipshits wanna remove it? This is as close as you're going to get to having characters refer to you as a choice you've taken other than Codsworth and Vasco having like 1000 generic names recorded to use.

Sorry this is stupid all round. People are stupid for getting annoyed that you can set pronouns in a game, but Nexus are stupid for removing the mod that allows players the ability to if THEY wish to choose so.

Nexus just hosts the mod, if anybody is offended they could just not download it.

Look I've got no skin in the game here, what's wrong with having a mod that removes a selector in a character creation screen?

I get that some people are upset if they get misgendered or whatever (as I would be...my chosen pronouns just happen to line up with what everyone assumes they are...comfy living) but is it really necessary to force everyone to have a pronoun selection option if they don't want a pronoun selection option? You're not going to make someone blinded by hate see any clearer by forcing them to do something that only affects them.

Edit: I'm sorry if my questioning hurt some folks, that wasn't my intention. I couldn't see what the big deal was, but thanks to those who made the effort to engage with me, I have a more informed view and I can appreciate why the mod was removed and why its existence was upsetting.

I swear to god, every time i hear about conservatives getting upset about gay and trans rights I'm more convinced it's projection. They want to have the freedom to follow their own preferences but have been taught by someone in their family and/or society that certain preferences are completely unacceptable. Rather than go against the grain, they lean into the hate side of it. "If i can't have that, you sure as hell can't--and if you do, you're gonna pay dearly" seems to be the philosophy. All this because they want to explore their sexuality but they decided the social price is too much. Not allowed to have what they crave, now they just scorn those that are brave enough to face the storm they themselves avoided...or they just hate people having freedom. Probably both.