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Curious from people who follow its development closely.

  • What protocol are about to be finally implemented?
  • Which ones are still a struggle?
  • How many serious protocols are there missing?

https://arewewaylandyet.com/

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[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 58 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Been working great for me for ~1 year on my desktop and closer to 2-3 on my laptop.

The only thing missing for me was Barrier for input sharing, which libei is supposed to fix. I ended up going for a hardware solution as Barrier is jank af anyway.

Only thing not working for me is HDR (should be fixed in Plasma 6.1), not like you could do HDR on Xorg anyway. Also no HDMI 2.1 but that's because fuck the HDMI Forum.

Performance-wise, just blows away Xorg in every metric, and explicit sync should make that even better.

[–] popekingjoe@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Oh so a Plasma update broke HDR. I was wondering what happened when HDR went from looking primo to looking washed out and ugly. I'll just wait patiently on SDR. :)

[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 7 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Were you using patched KWin or something? Because experimental HDR support is supposed to be one of the big features for 6.0, so unless it broke in 6.0.3 or something, you shouldn't have had an update to break HDR in the first place because it wasn't supported.

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[–] brunacho@scribe.disroot.org 28 points 6 months ago

The site is sort of outdated, but one important missing aspect there is accesibility. Here are some notes that gather links and following on the discussions on the matter in case you're interested.

[–] crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz 18 points 6 months ago (10 children)

For me, the plasma 6 implementation misses nothing. Multiple monitors work with no issues, and every program I could run works with no issues.

My main problem is that none of the tiling wayland compositors ( hyprland for example ) work well with multiple monitors. My usecase is to keepcmy laptop's monitor in clamshell mode and just use the external one, but I tend to if I leave for a long time to turn off the monitor since plasma can't turn it off the output for powersaving by itself for weird reasons and plasma 6 kwin will corectly start up on the monitor if I turn it on.

Compositors like hyprland for soke reason won't and will ontly show blank screen and not even allow me to change to another tty, effectively freezing my system.

But I got used to the way plasma works, made it work similary to a tiling wm for the virtual desktops and placing speficifc windows in specific virtual desktop and stuff like that, so I get the benefits of a good stacking (floating) wayland compositor with robust virtual desktops support.

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[–] ulkesh@beehaw.org 17 points 6 months ago (7 children)

I’m going to buy an AMD video card this weekend solely so I don’t have to deal with the NVidia bullshit anymore. I’m eager to give hyperland a try.

[–] ADonkeyBrainedFog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

I love hyprland, but plugging my laptop into a projector for a presentation and forgetting to mirror displays was a fun time. Hard to explain the default anime girl away without people knowing what you're talking about. Since then I've learned you can disable that background lmao

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Oof that sounds hella unprofessional though

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That’s the hyprland community, for good and mostly bad

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

https://github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland/issues/2930

I have a feeling most of these people are either NEETs or never used a work computer.

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[–] SuperSpecialNickname@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago (8 children)

I'm using it on Plasma 6 with AMD graphics and so far it's going good. When I had Nvidia I had issues with electron based applications. Games have been running pretty good regardless of the GPU, though Forza horizon 5 wouldn't launch under Nvidia for some reason.

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[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I just want my steam link to work on KDE Wayland.

I just get a black screen with a mouse that I can't move with a connected steam controller

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[–] DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

I want to switch to get high refresh rates on my multi monitor setup. I tried recently again but I can't for the life of me get screen sharing working, which I need for work.

Edit: With some help here and a Slack update released yesterday to fix the problem, it's working in both Zoom and Slack!

[–] frazorth@feddit.uk 7 points 6 months ago (14 children)

What were you trying to screen share with?

Most of the apps people are using are Electron, which has supported Wayland and the pipewire screensharing for nearly 4 years. However since Chrome/Chromium doesn't enable Wayland by default, Electron won't. Which also means that no one tests it in their apps.

I've had such success just ignoring the apps and using the web client since that's up to date and doesn't require the app builders to enable features.

At least under Fedora.

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[–] shaytan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 months ago

Your work app may be electron based (which is a bit too common nowadays), and until they update to electron 29, wayland won't probably work.

(or until they add xwayland video bridge, but the former option is better than the latter.

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[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

is Debian shipping with it default yet?

[–] bastonia@lemmy.ml 20 points 6 months ago (8 children)

while Debian is still deciding if they ship with Wayland by default or not, Fedora and KDE are planning to already completely drop x11 for their next release (they ship Wayland by default)

[–] shaytan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 months ago

Fedora 40 with kde plasma 6 dropped a day or two ago, and they did remove x11, you have to get it from the repo in case you want it, otherwise, it only comes and is planned for wayland, which I believe is great, for once it does seem like the year of wayland

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Debian Gnome has had it as default since 2019.

[–] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I still can’t stream screens via discord and my autoclicker relies on a lib that only works with X

[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Discord would work if they ever updated their electron version.

[–] kevincox@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago

Or just use it in a web browser. I don't really want to run their proprietary spyware outside of a sandbox anyways.

[–] Krtek@feddit.de 6 points 6 months ago

It works fine with Firefox funnily enough

[–] D_Air1@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm still struggling with remote desktop software and other alternatives such as sunshine. KDE connect input sharing is inconsistent on wayland, but they will probably fix that eventually. xwaylandvideobridge is great when it works, but currently has an issue with eating input invisibly. Also, some things just seem to be kinda wonky. For example screen sharing portal when sharing my screen in a browser seems to open twice. Same with obs. Still no good virtual keyboard. If onboard worked on wayland that would be perfect.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

HDR is only experimental on gnome and kde with weston not having an implementation.

I think 10 bit color depth hasn't even been worked on much.

VRR I think is about finished although X11 has it too.

And the Nvidia wayland support is slowly improving although still full of bugs and stability issues.

[–] azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 months ago

VRR on X11 doesn’t work with multi screen setup, so it might be broken for a lot of people

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[–] mactan@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

missing a mountain of accessibility tools

[–] frazorth@feddit.uk 9 points 6 months ago

Like?

If there is something missing, add it either as an issue or a PR in the project.

https://github.com/mpsq/arewewaylandyet

It would help your case when saying that it's not ready. It might also inspire people to fix it if they see something that is missing.

[–] Unyieldingly@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

please don't post that site. I just need a few more things to work well with Wayland like Nvidia Drivers.

Last updated: 31 October 2022<

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)
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[–] exanime@lemmy.today 9 points 6 months ago

I've been using it for my daily driver for work and casual gaming with no issues for 4 months now (Garuda Linux)

[–] LaggyKar@programming.dev 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Already daily driving it on my laptop, which uses AMD graphics, and my work laptop, which uses Intel graphics. For Nvidia, there's missing explicit sync (which should be fixed soon), and Steam completely freaking out (might get fixed by explicit sync). Kwin also seems a bit unstable on Nvidia, but I haven't tested it for extended periods of time.

I also have a computer with display on an Nvidia card via reverse prime, which suffers performance issues on Wayland. Might be improved on Plasma 6, but that computer runs OpenSUSE Leap, so it won't get that for some time.

There is also the issue of picture-in-picture, but that can be worked around with Kwin rules.

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[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago (6 children)

XFCE doesn't support it yet so I'm not on it.

Also last I tried, autoclickers weren't working

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[–] SleveMcDichael@programming.dev 7 points 6 months ago

A program that I use often uses an embedded MPV window for video playing, and Wayland doesn't support that, and apparently won't: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/issues/74

So until something changes with that program, MPV, or Wayland, or I decide to rewrite the program myself, I'm stuck with X11.

[–] gianni@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago

I'm happy with Wayland

[–] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'd switched from i3 to sway, but the click offset in Krita made me switch back.

[–] IcePee@lemmy.beru.co 6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Slightly OT but hasn't Fedora gone all in on Wayland? Maybe it's an attempt drive critical mass of adoption and concentrate developers' minds to closing the gap between now and fully production ready. As such, maybe moving to Fedora will net you the best support and smoothest Wayland implantation.

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[–] KindaABigDyl@programming.dev 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yes

Even on Nvidia. I'm on NixOS w/ Hyprland on a RTX 3080 in reverse sync on a multimonitor setup, and have no issues.

Everything just works most of the time. When it doesn't, updating the driver usually fixes the issue.

[–] brian@programming.dev 6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

wayland doesn't support diagonal monitors

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[–] Lobreeze@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I can't run xscreensaver in wayland :(

[–] UFODivebomb@programming.dev 7 points 6 months ago

The real problem right here

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[–] Peasley@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

On KDE Plasma, my only outstanding bug is that the "window shade" button on my window controls is broken. Too bad since I use that feature a lot.

On GNOME everything seems to work as far as I can tell. It's pretty smooth!

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