Anon doesn't like any web browsers : 4chan

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 74 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Does Firefox break for people? I've used it solidly for years without a reinstall.

[–] xep@fedia.io 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Same here, but I imagine there are vastly different usage pattens. Maybe Firefox doesn't support some that well. I couldn't use any other browser though.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 months ago

Same here (Windows, Android and Linux)

[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago

I've used both the normal and nightly builds and have never had an issue beyond nightly just crashing and closing like twice years ago and I was still able to open it with all my tabs intact.

[–] sinceasdf@lemmy.world 71 points 6 months ago

Idk how you use Firefox wrong but anon here is doing it. Got mine loaded with add-ons n shit never had an issue in years. Imagine actually using brave.

The problem is chromium dominance (edge and chrome mostly) as it makes other browsers vulnerable to the noncompetitive web standard changes that google likes.

[–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Imagine still using Brave in current year.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 months ago

Brendan Eich is a piece of shit

[+] TotalSonic@lemmy.world -6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Show me another browser that can fully pass the EFF's and other privacy tests, and I will switch.

[–] null@slrpnk.net 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Never heard of that before so just tried it with Fennec (Firefox fork) and got this result:

Then downloaded Brave and got this result:

[–] TotalSonic@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

This is what I get on a degoogled Android 13 custom ROM. What OS/device are you using? Did you opt out of sending stats to Brave when you installed?

[–] null@slrpnk.net 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm on the latest GrapheneOS (sounds like you are too) and yes I opted out of both checkboxes.

[–] TotalSonic@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I am using SparkOS on this device. My usual daily driver running Android 14 uses degoogled BlissROM and gets the same results, but I just borked it testing the latest alpha version for the maintainer.

[–] TotalSonic@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I am guessing you are using uBlock Origin or similar with Fenec, as I just get "partial protection" in the EFF test unless that extension is installed.

[–] null@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 months ago

Ah looks like I am, yeah.

Should I need to turn some setting on in Brave to get the same result?

[–] null@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like its not a very reliable way to gauge privacy, then.

[–] TotalSonic@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The EFF is very good at what they do, and I've found it to be reliable, based on auditing traffic with tools like TrackerControl and AppManager as well. There is also resources noting test results such as https://privacytests.org

[–] null@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Either way, looks like we found that other browser.

[–] TotalSonic@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Here you can see that Fennec tried to "phone home" to Mozilla when I launched it

[–] TotalSonic@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

So that's the second test a browser needs to pass for me - no embedded tracker libraries. Fennec fails on that.

[–] TotalSonic@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Embedded trackers Brave: 0 Fennec: 3

[–] TotalSonic@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is the result of the default install of Fennec - it needs the user to install an extension to get ad and tracker blocking like you have

[–] null@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 months ago

That's the same as the default result for Brave on my system too though.

What were the other tests you ran, I'm curious how Brave will come out there.

[–] TotalSonic@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Not quite for me - Fennec (at least the build from F-droid) does not randomize fingerprint, AppManager and TrackerControl both show it has embedded trackers sending telemetry to Mozilla, and Fennec is not available on desktop. Librewolf is hardened Firefox on desktop, and is very good though, and has the trackers going back to Mozilla removed, but it does not randomize fingerprint.

[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Librewolf + arkenfox user.js maximum security profile will pass EFF and about every other test you could think of. The real problem is that security comes with cost to convinence. Multi session cookies and site history suck for security but are really convinent tools for browsing the modern internet.

[–] TotalSonic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I like Librewolf a lot, and do use it sometimes on desktop, but they do not offer a mobile version, and there have been a few web pages I have found it was not compatible with.

[–] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't know what they mean about firefox breaking, unless they are on the nightly stream. I don't recommend being on nightlies if stability is important to you.

[–] mormund@feddit.de 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I have been using Nightly on Android and Windows for years now and even that doesn't break. I probably had minor bugs from time to time but so few I don't even remember any specifically. But I do agree with you of course. On my work laptop I also use stable, just in case.

[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago

Same, I've had it crash like twice years ago and didn't even lose my tabs. Everything was fine.

[–] orbuzq@lemmings.world 19 points 6 months ago

Anon works in Brave's marketing department

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 months ago

Anon's baiting the audience of browsers I've not even heard of. I've googled SigmaOS and still unsure wtf is that, some coupling of productivity app and a browser that paints itself as the whole OS for all working needs, with one window\tab and a $10 subscription, exclusive to Macs, and is unironically called Sigma? I mean, it sounds even more niche than our favorite Firefox forks, folks. I'd not bite, but it was a pretty interesting dive. Thanks, anon.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 15 points 6 months ago

Didn't get Firefox problem, complete refresh? Like close it and opening it again?

[–] superfes@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't use Brave if you paid me, but yes, browsers are all pretty shitty RN.

[–] boogiebored@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Curious, what are the issues with Brave?

[–] snekmuffin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

https://www.kevinmuldoon.com/do-not-use-brave-browser/

Not to even mention shoving crypto in there for no good reason, spiking worldwide energy usage with its mere existence.

[–] TotalSonic@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This article is FUD for the most part:

replacing ads - nope, by default you don't see any replacement ads, rather you see the least amount of ads on any chromium based option out there (e.g. Brave is the only browser I've found that still blocks the vast majority of ads on YouTube videos). You need to opt in to see replacement ads
affilate links - yeah, that was some bs that happened 4 years ago, they were called out on it, and they promptly removed them, and these things have never appeared again.

Regarding the crypto stuff - that is by default off, again you need to opt in to it. Now, there is basic usage stats that are sent back to Brave that are on by default, but these can be turned off easily in the settings.

If there is any real objection that can be made to Brave it's that the CEO has contributed cash to anti-gay-marriage campaigns in the past (which is why he has fired from Mozilla) and that he has expressed some reactionary political views in social media. I can understand people boycotting Brave for that.

Meanwhile, Brave is the only browser I've found that completely passes the EFF's test at coveryoutracks.eff.org - and in other pricacy and security audits it performs always at "best in class" levels.

[–] snekmuffin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago

Oh, well written. I should update my research

[–] boogiebored@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Thanks for that vid, had some great perspective!

[–] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I haven't had any issues with Librewolf breaking

[–] KombatWombat@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No one has mentioned Vivaldi yet. I haven't found it slow in the years I've used it. It does hog memory with the amount of tabs I open, but no more than any other browser I've used. Fortunately it has inactive tab suspenders as an option to help with my bad habits (natively now, and through chrome extensions before that). Also, it is undoubtedly the most visually customizable browser I know, so it being ugly is really you making the sandwich.

If this was just bait, I guess it got me. If not, anon could try Tor if they value privacy, or maybe something minimalist if they really care about performance.

[–] Kyatto@leminal.space 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Tor is already technically mentioned in anon's post, as a fork of firefox, technically.

[–] KombatWombat@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Oh, today I learned!

[–] schnokobaer@feddit.de 7 points 6 months ago

Literally my only gripe with Firefox is that the mobile version on Android frequently plays html5 Videos very choppy and you have to reload the page to get normal fps. Apart from that it's the obvious, good choice.

[–] TotalSonic@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Vivaldi has some closed source components to it, so that makes it a "pass" for a lot of us that are more privacy focused. But in performance and features Vivaldi is certainly a good chromium based browser - it's just not one I choose for myself.

[–] Dangdoggo@kbin.social 6 points 6 months ago

I also struggle with browsers :\ It seems like every one is just a different shade of dogshit but Firefox is still my daily driver and I have few issues with it so idk what the guy in image is on about. Brave is overrated

[–] Sanchokan@kbin.social 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Why nobody mentions ungoogled-chromium?

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Well in many respects, no Chromium based browser can be ungoogled, it's literally Google's project.

https://superuser.com/questions/1321313/what-is-the-difference-between-google-chrome-and-chronium#1321315

[–] aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

WebKit is cross platform, The only reason those browsers are platform-locked is because the devs wanted them to be.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social 2 points 6 months ago

I mean, I actually relate to this.

[–] amotio@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Ok so I have been using Waterfox and Brave for some time, switching between them to decide which I like more.

On one hand, I am a little worried about all the stuff people bring out about Brave and really want to switch to WF. But on the other hand, WF seems really slow compared to brave and PiP just lags my whole system sometimes, even if I turn HW acceleration for video rendering, somehow WF (and all FF forks I have tried) hogs my GPU and my whole OS stutters here nad there when playing PiP videos.

I am on linux, have relatively beefy PC with 64gb ram, RTX 3060 and few years old CPU. Has anyone faced this issue and fixed it somehow or is the video rendering in FF just that bad?