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[–] peto@lemm.ee 93 points 6 months ago

If it isn't on your shelves (or server) it isn't your library, it's someone else's access.

[–] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 85 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Damage@slrpnk.net 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Yarr harr fiddle dee dee!

[–] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 75 points 6 months ago (2 children)

If buying isn’t owning, then pirating isn’t stealing.

Fair winds and following seas to you fellow sailors, arrrrr

[–] LinusSexTips@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago (3 children)

From my nixos config.

Corps are fucked, I've got no issues pirating content. If I want to support someone I'll pay up but the majority of content is background filler for me.

Why would I want to sub to Amazon just to watch Jeremy Clarkson's new show, where he was paid $200m to support him? It baffles the mind the volume of cash that's thrown around in that world.

I'd much rather spend my money down the pub on a Sunday, which is owned by locals, has local beers on tap with a local solo musician jamming out the front.

For me, there's much more value in an experience with the quirks of it being live, a quick witted bartender, a great cover, an old bloke retelling stories he's told 100 times before, a forgotten lyric or even a snapped string on a guitar.

Or I'm starting to show my age 😎

[–] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Nah man you got the right mindset, I'm right there with you. Fill'em full'ah day light! Arrrrr

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[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I can understand piracy when they take away something you’ve already bought, but I’d not want to do it for something I haven’t bought yet.

I wanna be able to support people creating what I like.

[–] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I actually probably provide more support for the things I like because I pirate. Look at it this way - if I had to subscribe to a million services, I just wouldn’t watch a lot of things (because I don’t like spending money month over month for services). Now, I download what I want to watch, and if it’s good I go and tell my friends and family (who aren’t pirates) how good it is and they go and watch it, bringing more eyeballs to their show/movie than they would’ve had otherwise. Pirating isn’t stealing or taking away from creatives imo

[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I can’t agree, but I can agree to disagree with you.

For me as long as you’re not paying for some form of art, you’re not supporting the artist, so you’re stealing.

But I’d be the first one to download a torrent if something I paid for kind of disappeared like this.

[–] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Haha agree to disagree. I'm paying them through eXpOsuRe (jk)

Yeah I don't feel an ounce of remorse about it, but if I did I probably wouldn't do it!

[–] BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Though I agree about 'financial support for content creator' I think our model of copyright doesn't work.

I'd love your opinion

Should a content creator keep making money forever once something is produced ? Would you prefer to buy rather than pirate a movie that was made 100 years ago ? Let's say you never bought any Charlie Chaplin movie, would you buy it if you wanted to watch it ?

The reason I ask is because I'm still unclear myself about what is morally right on this topic. I tend to pirate a lot nowadays because I don't know how to support content creators without filling the pockets of intermediary leeches

My personal rule is that I'll buy it as long as the original creators are profiting from new sales. So I'm happy to buy Switch games, but I'm probably not going to buy N64 games because they're not available from the original devs.

I may buy even if that's not the case if buying is a better experience than getting it some other way.

If DRM-free digital copies existed for movies, I'd buy them. But they don't, so I buy physical media and rip it to my NAS.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 6 points 6 months ago

I have bought some games after pirating them - because I loved them. Still kept the pirated copies for the sake of ownership though.

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[–] Olap@lemmy.world 65 points 6 months ago

The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it
- Paul Muad'Dib

[–] Onii-Chan@kbin.social 52 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Living in Australia means piracy is essentially legal - individuals can only be taken to court for the cost of one physical copy of the pirated media, so companies don't even bother as long as you aren't distributing. The more things in this area get worse, the more justified I feel in filling up my 10TB HDD.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

In the US its the service providers that get in trouble not the users

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[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 41 points 6 months ago

Streaming for things you consume. Offline media for things you like.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 39 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Companies should be sued for false advertising if they claim that their streaming service allows you to "buy" or "own" anything (unless their service includes non-DRM downloads for permanent offline storage). All you're buying is temporary use of their rental network and library. Which is fine if that's what you wanted and knew you were getting, but a problem if you were expecting something else.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Honestly what they could do is allow you to buy the Bluray. That would make me happier.

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[–] eee@lemm.ee 34 points 6 months ago

Should companies work on improving access to services and making sure paying consumers get a better experience?

Nah, let's spend more money paying lawyers to go after a few people, that'll show em.

[–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 33 points 6 months ago

I think it’s wild how people post “omg I just got this entire series for $299! It was on sale so I had to!” Like in 5 years, you may not even have it! Company goes under. Gets bought out. Or my personal favourite, it becomes unavailable because the owner pulled it over a legal dispute. Like so many songs off Spotify. These companies never get involved like well we got our cash too bad so sad.

🏴‍☠️

[–] TheDeepState@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You will own nothing and be happy.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 28 points 6 months ago (9 children)
[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 15 points 6 months ago (14 children)

If you are into collecting, that is. I am kind of triggered by the binary "physical vs. non-owned" because physical is not for everyone, if I was dead set on paying and the media was not available DRMless, I would rather buy a digital copy plus pirate a DRMless one corresponding to it. Buying a disk only to throw it out after ripping is wasteful. If you keep them, they take up too much space and are too inconvenient to use compared to a few external drives.

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[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Just pirate it. Get a VPN, get BitTorrent on ur phone and literally Google for any movie and the word torrent. This isn't fucking hard.

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[–] 7rokhym@lemmy.ca 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The other concern is censorship. Essentially a movie that you bought is on a server and then someone's decided that words, content, or scenes are no longer appropriate. The video, song, etc, is different from the original and without any notification. The old scenes get sent to the memory hole. Oh dear Winston, I fear we will meet soon!

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago

RIP the D&D episode of community

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[–] LucidBoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 6 months ago (2 children)

my arrs love me, and i love my arrs

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago

Aarrrrr, I spotted a mythical jellyfin, strrrrraight ahead! It's even new and shiny!

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[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 months ago (3 children)

That’s why I’ll keep buying physical for the games or movies I love.

The only question I have is what’s gonna happen as game discs are just becoming an access token to download the game and its updates.

I’d have nothing against digital games or movies if you didn’t see such behaviors.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Make sure you've got a spare DVD/Blu-Ray player somewhere that works without needing an internet connection.

Oh, you mean when the discs themselves no longer contain the data.... Yeah...

[–] Phelpssan@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The only question I have is what’s gonna happen as game discs are just becoming an access token to download the game and its updates.

That's a big concern. There's communities trying to document which games are complete on the media and can be played from start to end without updates (so no major game-breaking bugs or huge performance issues) like this one:

https://www.doesitplay.org/

I'm also part of a FB group that collects cartridge information for Switch games, to document if there's revisions with all updates included.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CEABCBrPv1tWf89hSZqUunK0JW-sQo8XpxuvZhdtHQs/edit#gid=0

[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

It’s good that people are worrying about this. Although, I haven’t heard of any disc game not being able to be played. I guess it would only happen if Sony/Microsoft go bankrupt or decide to close PlayStation/Xbox game updates servers.

It ain’t likely to happen but it’s important to be able to preserve games for the future as they are part of history just like paintings.

[–] Phelpssan@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I haven’t heard of any disc game not being able to be played.

There's a number of games that don't come with the whole thing on disk/cart, usually including only the early stages and the rest needs to be downloaded.

Hogwarts Legacy and Jedi Survivor are two fairly recent examples.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Xbox "backwards compatibility" already works that way. It doesn't run the code from the disc, it downloads a compatible digital version.

[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 17 points 6 months ago

I've been a user of GOG for a while principally because of the no-drm ability to download a copy of what you bought. When the library starts getting past a certain size though you start to wonder about those things like what if the producer has a falling out and wants to yank it from the platform, does it vanish from my library then too? Are there contracts that say 'forever' when they offer it? Would love to find some 'download all' option to take a full copy offline of the bought items at once but it'd probably overrun the monthly ISP limits even if they had one.

Seen too many things on Netflix or Spotify that I liked vanish because 'fuck off, we can' and although I never anticipated it being 'bought' in those cases it does give a lot of justification to find alternate means to reestablish that access.

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Yeah, if it's in "The Cloud" it's NOT yours and it can disappear or be modified without your knowledge or consent at any time.

Buy some external storage and keep copies of everything you care about.

[–] CannedCairn@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Is there a good way to pay for a download of movies or TV, or should I go back to buying physical and ripping?

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[–] BuckyVanBuren@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Yeah, got rid of all my CDs a few years ago and now I'm buying them back a bit at the time because of all the stuff that is going out of print and you can no longer stream.

Should have just stored everything.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yeah that's why I buy DVDs if it's something that I actually want to keep. I don't mind streaming as long as you understand that you own nothing.

Yup, it's a great way to fill that "I want to watch something" need.

I buy and rip DVDs/Blu-rays that I want to keep, and then stream the rips from my NAS. It works pretty well.

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