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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 344 points 5 months ago (4 children)

It's not AI that is the problem, it's half baked insecure data harvesting products pushed by big corporations that are the problem.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 152 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The biggest joke is that the LLM in Windows is running locally, it uses your hardware and not some big external server farm. But you can bet your ass that they still use it to data harvest the shit out of you.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 139 points 5 months ago (2 children)

To me this is even worse though. They're using your electricity and CPU cycles to grab the data they want which lowers their bandwidth bills.

It happening "locally" while still sending all the metadata home is just a slap in the face.

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 60 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Also, CoPilot is going to be bundled with Office 365, a subscription service. You're literally paying them to spy on you.

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)
  • be microsoft, a whole bunch of greedy user-hostile fucks
  • make spyware
  • tell users that spyware is really cool and useful
  • make them pay for the spyware
  • use the spyware to get their data
  • sell their data
  • profit
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[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 17 points 5 months ago

Exactly. And if I use or even pay for an external LLM service then that's also my decision. But they force this scheme onto every user, whether they want it or not. It's like the worst out of all possible scenarios.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 5 months ago (8 children)

That's a pretty big joke, but I think the bigger joke is calling LLMs AI. We taught linear algebra to talk real pretty and now corps want to use it to completely subsume our lives.

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[–] aniki@lemm.ee 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Runs locally, mirrors remotely.

To ensure a seamless customer experience when their hardware isn't capable of running the model locally or if there is a problem with the local instance.

microsoft, probably.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 82 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That is an accurate description of AI in common usage even if it isn't an inherent aspect of AI.

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[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago

Locally run AI could be great. But sending all your data to an external server for processing is really, really bad.

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[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 273 points 5 months ago (10 children)

It's not the "AI nightmare", it's a nightmare of capitalism, proprietary software and user-hostile behavior by a greedy, profit-extracting Big Tech corporation.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 78 points 5 months ago (2 children)

All true, and all a problem for which linux has been a solution (in the computing world) for decades now.

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 60 points 5 months ago (3 children)

It's not just Linux, but free & open source software in general. And it's not just desktop PCs that are plagued by this corporate spyware, it's much worse when looking at the mobile device landscape. The only real solution for mobile devices is GrapheneOS with FOSS software installed from the F-Droid marketplace. Browsers are also under attack by proprietary software corporations, Google just intentionally broke adblockers on all Chromium-based browsers, so they can generate more ad revenue. Last year, they tried to push a proposal that would have massively extended their monopoly on web browsers (WEI). All the streaming services are screwing their users over and increasing the subscription prices while making the content library smaller. It's such a fucking scam, and it's almost sad to see how many people are dumb enough to fall for it.

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[–] catch22@startrek.website 19 points 5 months ago (3 children)
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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 158 points 5 months ago (16 children)

"The Year Of Linux on Desktops". Been hearing this for decades, but it might actually be happening. What I'm feeling now is the same thing I felt when Mozilla originally split Firefox out, and made the first real competition to corporate browsers as a free product. People don't want all this bullshit, and want to retain control over the machines they are working on. Seems a lot more people are interested in FOSS environments now just to avoid all the other BS they hate getting shoveled at them.

[–] rImITywR@lemmy.world 101 points 5 months ago (9 children)

“The Year Of Linux on Desktops”. Been hearing this for decades, but it might actually be happening.

Been hearing this for decades.

[–] randomname01@feddit.nl 46 points 5 months ago (15 children)

And it won’t ever be true until you can pick up a PC running Linux in a big box store. I could see the Steam Deck (and Valve’s rumoured upcoming console) to make a dent in the PC gaming space, but it won’t make a difference to the purchasing decisions of your your aunt who uses her pc to check her emails.

Should corporate buyers ever get tired of MS’ shenanigans they might switch over to Ubuntu, but I’m not holding my breath for that.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 54 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (12 children)

At work, we have a strict ban on purchasing any laboratory equipment that requires Windows. After about a year, several of our suppliers have been pressured to offer Linux support, precisely because we don’t have time for windows shenanigans on a $100k piece of advanced benchtop hardware. We just got our first oscilloscope with Red Hat preinstalled.

Also, regular people aren’t buying PCs as much as they used to. The PC is now a workplace and enthusiast device. Everyone else uses mobile.

[–] plactagonic@sopuli.xyz 22 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The oldest version of Win I used was 95 about 2 years ago on chromatography machine (I think hplc or gas).

It is to my knowledge still in use in the school because the software don't run on newer machines. The teacher told me that he don't know what will he do when it dies. It isn't really an issue on Linux.

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[–] potatopotato@sh.itjust.works 23 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I'd argue the year of the Linux desktop passed years ago and now it's just a saturation game. Most serious SW development is now on Linux laptops/desktops, Android owns the mobile space and versions are starting to make huge inroads in the laptop space. You can buy gaming systems running it trivially now.

Conversely, casual users of windows are dying off, fewer non technical people are using desktops for anything at all. Only institutional users are buying Windows keys and they're some of the easiest to get on Linux because of the cost savings, particularly if you run Linux server infrastructure, a fight we already won over a decade ago.

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[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 20 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I don't see a "year of the Linux desktop" happening, but rather its share growing slowly over the years. Windows would probably not have one big event that ends its dominance, but it can be a death of a thousand cuts.

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[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 105 points 5 months ago (33 children)

People keep pointing the finger at AI, but miss the fact that the problem is corporate greed. AI has the possibility to help us solve problems, corporate greed will gate keep the solutions and cause us suffering.

[–] stefounet123@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sure. But then, Linux may well be a solution against corporate greed.

[–] 3volver@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Linux is a solution against corporate greed, it directly takes market share away from Microsoft, and is a viable competitive alternative with few drawbacks.

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[–] archchan@lemmy.ml 104 points 5 months ago (12 children)

I choose to privately self-host open source AI models and stuff on Linux. It's almost like technology is a tool and corps are the ones fucking things up. Hmmm, imagine that.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 22 points 5 months ago

Agreed

GPT4ALL ftw

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 99 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I think it's important to note that Linux can be a way to avoid AI, but doesn't have to be. If you flip the headline around it almost implies that people who do want AI would be missing out by using Linux, but that's not true at all: instead, the reality is that Linux is still better for them, too, because you could install all the same kind of functionality if you wanted, but it would be wholly under your control, not Microsoft's.

[–] Lem453@lemmy.ca 34 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Self hosted AI seems like an intriguing option for those capable of running it. Naturally this will always be more complex than paying someone else to host it for you but it seems like that's that only way if you care about privacy

https://github.com/mudler/LocalAI

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[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 88 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Linux may be the best way to avoid the <insert dystopian corporate feature> nightmare

Always has been

[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 37 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'm convinced that Linux' mere presence has already stymied the development of the worst possible technocractic nightmare. I shudder to think of the thick tech-chains that would bind us if there was not an anchor/reference point... or if there was not even the small contingent that knows what it is like to use a liberating platform.

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[–] jackiechan@lemm.ee 67 points 5 months ago (4 children)

All the AI garbage from M$ is what made me finally make the swap a couple weeks ago to Linux Mint on my personal desktop. I only use my PC for gaming/entertainment, so the switch was super easy. Can’t recommend it enough if you’re wanting to get away from Windows!

[–] herrcaptain@lemmy.ca 30 points 5 months ago

One of us! One of us! One of us!

For real though, good on ya. It takes a little getting used to, but is so worth it in the long run to not have to fight against the profit-driven whims of a megacorp. It's also so much more customizable if you want to put together a really specific workflow for yourself.

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[–] TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world 66 points 5 months ago (10 children)

I finally switched to Linux and I couldn't be happier. I can't believe I put up with microsofts garbage for so damn long.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 50 points 5 months ago

And forced the hardware obsolescence nightmare.

And the big tech surveillance nightmare.

And the nightmare of the war on general purpose computers. (OK, that is more GNU and GPLv3)

And a few other nightmares!

[–] spez_@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago (9 children)

I don't want to avoid it. I just want it locally

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago

Linux has been great for me. I switched during Windows 10 forced updates and never been unhappy since. I hope more people at least give a try. If you have a computer that can't meet Windows 11 requirements, it is worth a shot.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago (4 children)

internet pollution is the real nightmare and your laptop os doesn't fix that sorry

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[–] frankgrimeszz@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I can’t read the article because of a full screen Cookie Choices pop-up that I can’t dismiss. ☠️

[–] JovialSodium@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Ublock origin has cookie banner filters. I didn't have this problem, I assume that's why.

Edit: autocorrect

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[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago (5 children)

“The year of Linux on the Desktop” is in the article. This again? Been reading this for decades and it’s still not true.

Linux is close, but has some core flaws that will forever keep it out of mainstream acceptance by your average user.

[–] havocpants@lemm.ee 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (9 children)

Linux is close, but has some core flaws that will forever keep it out of mainstream acceptance by your average user.

It has nothing to do with any flaws within Linux itself. The problem is and has always been that it's nearly impossible to buy a PC with any flavour of Linux pre-installed. Until that changes, Linux (on home user desktops) will never gain mainstream acceptance.

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[–] Rooki@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It was the solution for the crap Microsoft force pushes to your device.

Simple, Extendable and secure linux.

[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (9 children)

When it comes to software, certainly.

But it's also important not to fanboy over people too much or assume they're right about literally everything. I doubt most people here would share Stallman's views on paedophilia, for example.

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 22 points 5 months ago (6 children)

There is no year of Linux desktop, it just keeps trucking and growing

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago (10 children)

I wonder if some big AI heads will publish some "AI enhanced" Linux distros, that will also have other issues...

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