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[–] rem26_art@fedia.io 55 points 4 months ago (2 children)

they seem extremely competent at writing bad software

[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That line isn't going to recover for a while now

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 months ago

But the publicity

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not sure if it's the devs to blame when there's statements like:

Kurtz therefore has the possibly unique and almost-certainly-unwanted distinction of having presided over two major global outage events caused by bad software updates.

So, I'm guessing it's the business that's not supporting good dev->test->release practices.

But, I agree with your point; their overall software quality is terrible.

[–] rem26_art@fedia.io 4 points 4 months ago

true true. If the general business pressures are not conducive to proper software release practices, no amount of programming skill can help them.

[–] eee@lemm.ee 33 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"The most secure system is a system that's not live. Crowdstrike, bringing you the best-in-class security."

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 14 points 4 months ago

"I don't test often but when I do it is in production"

[–] highduc@lemmy.ml 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Ofc it is. And can't do any updates because Crowdstrike doesn't support newer kernels. Apparently security means running out of date packages. 🤡

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 4 months ago

That first issue was triggered by falcon, but was legitimately a bug in Red Hat’s kernel triggered by bpf.

[–] JWBananas@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

Nobody:

Crowdstrike:

[–] BaalInvoker@lemmy.eco.br 14 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Difference between open source software and closed source software:

  1. CrowdStrike bad coding make Linux crashes -> sysadmin has control over the system and can rapidly fix the issue by disabling CrowdStrike module -> downtime is limited

  2. CrowdStrike bad coding make Windows crashes -> sysadmin has limited control over the system and rely on Windows/CrowdStrike people to fix the issue -> the demand is too high cause the issue happened with many computers around the world at the same time -> huge downtime while few people on Microsoft and/or CrowdStrike fix the issue one by one manually

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is a laughably bad take.

You do realize sysadmins were fixing the Windows issue and not just waiting on Microsoft and CrowdStrike - right? They just had to delete a file.

[–] JWBananas@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Sysadmin here. Wtf are you talking about? All we did was "rapidly fix the issue by disabling Crowdstrike module." Or really, just the one bad file. We were back online before most people even woke up.

What do you think Crowdstrike can do from their end to stop a boot loop?

[–] SquigglyEmpire@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

...what?

A busted kernel module/driver/plug-in/whatever that triggers a bootloop is going to require intervention on any platform no matter whether the code happens to be published somewhere out on the internet or not. On top of that, Windows allows you to control/remove 3rd party kernel drivers just like on Linux, which is exactly what many of us have been stuck doing on endless devices for the last three days.

I fully advocate for open-source software and use it where I can, but I also think we should do that by talking about its actual advantages instead of just making up nonsense that will make experienced sysadmins spit out their coffee.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago

The fix on windows was just removing the bad file, there was no reliance on crowdstrike to fix the initial issue that I know of.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca -2 points 4 months ago

I've kept having to make this point repeatedly every time someone writes "It's not a Microsoft/closed source problem, it happened to Linux too".