A friendly reminder that road safety advocates recommend against the use of the word "accident" to describe car crashes, because it downplays the fact that many crashes are preventable, either by better safe road design or by the drivers being more responsible with with 2 tonne machinery they are operating.
this post was submitted on 19 Dec 2023
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If it isn't intentional then isn't it by definition an accident?
If I break my leg while mountainbiking it seems a bit unreasonable to claim that it wasn't an accident because mountainbiking is an extreme sport and this could've been avoided if I was knitting instead.
I'm speeding through a school zone at 60km/h.... I didnt INTEND to kill anyone, but i didnt see the crosswalk and mowed down a bunch of pedestrians.
This is not an accident. Entirely preventable. Intent doesnt matter
The vast majority of car collisions are entirely avoidable.
This is purely my anecdotal experience, but Tesla drivers appear to be some of the worst drivers on the road. There are stereotypes of drivers. BMW's never signal their turns, Jeeps think they can drive basically however they want including on shoulders, and Tesla drivers are oblivious to any kind of spatial understanding of the road around them.
I came here to say exactly that. You can blame Musk for many things, but the cars are only as good as their drivers, and they are some of the worst I've seen indeed.
the cars are only as good as their drivers,
The design of the car isn't that great. No physical buttons so you have to constantly look away from the road to interact with any car feature. Wipers, mirrors, climate control, music, etc... the blind spot and side views are on the display. Need to merge left but have to look right to see if it's clear.
They do have mirrors, you know… The lack of physical buttons isn’t that bad either. You shouldn’t be fucking with things while driving whether there are buttons or not.
You pull over to adjust the AC?
I don’t adjust anything unless I’m stopped. Red light, stop sign, etc. Also, at this point, I can reference all that stuff without looking at the screen so, even if I needed to, I don’t have to take my eyes off the road.
It’s nonsense that Tesla drivers are somehow less safe because of the screens considering every other driver is staring at their phones.
You might be able to adjust things without taking your eyes off the road fairly safely if you had some sort of tactile feedback. Like a knob to adjust the volume of the radio or another knob or lever to adjust the heat/AC. I doubt you could do so just as reliably and without accidentally hitting a different button with a touch screen without looking at all, but even if you can, most drivers couldn't.
There's also a learning curve to contend with. Put me in a car with a standard stereo that has a volume knob, and I'll be able to use it without looking pretty quickly and without error. Put me in a car that has only a touch screen with a UI that is different from every other manufacturer's UI, now I have to memorize where buttons are. And until I have it memorized, I have to look.
It isn't at all reasonable or feasible to suggest you shouldn't adjust any control unless you're stopped. That completely ignores the fact that the US is comprised of many highways and interstates that won't have any stops for hours under the right conditions. You're telling me that you exit the freeway just to adjust the AC? That's a lie and you know it. And again, even if that's the case for you, it isn't the case for most drivers.
Cars marketed to the masses should be designed for use by the masses and should be designed with safety in mind. These are 80 mph tin cans that can do a ton of damage and need to be treated as such. Especially modern EVs with batteries that burn with the light and temperature of 1000 suns when damaged.
Also "every other driver is staring at their phone" sounds like a disingenuous way to suggest that taking your eyes off the road is okay because everyone else does it too. Yes, lots of people do, but lots of people do not, and just because some do, that doesn't mean we should design our cars in a way that requires the same level of inattention.
If you’re driving, you shouldn’t be doing anything that distracts you from driving. Period.
Right. Which is exactly why removing tactile knobs and buttons is stupid.
Messing with knobs is still a distraction. You’re simply arguing for lesser distractions when the point is that, if you’re driving, you should be focused on driving and not on buttons, knobs, screens, or phones. It’s literally the first lesson of driving and yet you’re pretending like there’s some safer way to be distracted. It’s a load of bollocks.
No, you keep your eyes on the road, and use you're sense of touch to adjust the radio, temperature, etc. Hence the benefit of tactile knobs. Boy you really are somethin lol.
Oh, it’s you. First off, it’s “your”. You’re not to be taken seriously.
Second, using your “sense of touch” is still a distraction. You’re not focusing on the road if you’re trying to feel your way around your car. As mentioned before, you’re moving the goalposts attempting to argue a degree of distraction. I’m arguing that any distraction is a negative.
Yeah that's stupid, you need to be able to change your heat controls due to weather conditions, that's the reasons tactile knobs work.
Yeah, because the weather conditions change suddenly while driving. You adjust everything before you start driving and you focus on driving while you’re driving.
Yeah, because the weather conditions change suddenly while driving.
.. Yes? Are you a real person or a child lol?
I'm not looking forward to the day a tesla cyber truck hits someone. That's gonna be a grisly scene in the right conditions.
I wonder if it'll pass safety regs outside of the US
Maybe they're sentient and actively suicidal.
It would be a brilliant way to knock people off.
Terra Ignota used carefully calculated automobile tragedies as a pretext for civil war.