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[–] sunzu@kbin.run 141 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Apple and Google stores are classic rent seeker behavior.

Deny them profit.

[–] auzy@lemmy.world 91 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

You don't have to use the Google store though.

Apple forces you to the their app store, and they have a huge list of requirements they impose on apps to which dicks around developers

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago (7 children)

You don't have to use Google's store, but they've done a lot of anticompetitive shenanigans to snuff out competition and ensure they remain the dominant storefront.

After Google saw how much money Apple was making, they seemed to immediately regret having Android be an open platform. It was a convenience when they acquired the product early on because they could bring it to market quickly, but they've done everything in their power since then to close it up.

[–] Peffse@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

They've even start hoovering up stuff that was sideloaded so that it integrates into their store.

They tried to "update" my VLC but since my binary was signed by F-Droid it fails... and fails... and fails... No way to tell them to stop trying.

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[–] dafo@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not only do they force you to use the App Store, developing an app for iOS is a nightmare. Without special tools you must have a mac and a $100/yr apple developer license.

After having to deal with that shit at my old place of work I've moved to never touch app development again.

[–] auzy@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yep. Totally agree.

I only ended up with a Mac because edge kept hijacking my chrome tabs every reboot

But, it costs far more than a PC, and honestly, the hardware capabilities are worse

At least the M3 chips I think now have ray tracing. But still no nested VT so I can't even run the windows android emulator in parallels

Also, I keep coming across weird Mac os bugs with windows handling and device handling

I actually used to sell them. And got in an argument with a national sales manager over running windows on them. Apple released boot camp a week later and suddenly he returned to repeat the same arguments I used against him. Never got an apology

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don’t think this difference matters that much in Patreon’s case. Convincing users to sideload an app on Android is likely much harder than just getting them to visit the Patreon website on their phone and subscribe to users that way. Heck, they could probably make the mobile site virtually identical to the app anyway.

[–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

You also don’t have to use the Patreon iOS app. Most people just use the services and don’t search for alternatives. If you’re on Lemmy then you’re not in the “most people” category by default.

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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Patreon is also a platform taking 12% of their users money.

[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 119 points 3 months ago (5 children)

The "platform economy" is just another term for digital landlords.

Fuck 'em.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Techno feudalism is the term, look it up

[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago

Oh I know, I just thought using landlords would be a more concise term since most people don't know the term techno-feudalism as widely.

I'll definitely try to incorporate it in my writing more though, it's a term that I think should be known much more widely.

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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

lol, the irony is patreon is also a platform. Its platforms all the way down. They take 12%. If Apple wanted to be the good guy, they’d take 30% of patreon’s 12%.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Middle man skimming off the top.

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[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 87 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This is a given for many kinds of services. Always purchase subscriptions on another device or direct through their website - never use your Apple devices' app store.

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm just worried for the content creators on patreon. Their choices are a significant reduction in income, jacking up prices and pricing out some of their patrons (thus reducing their income), or if patreon pulls from apple there's a significant reduction in visibility and additional hurdles (thus reducing income).

So it seems that no matter the outcome, creators suffer the consequences of the Apple tax.

Fuck apple. Rotten to the core. Class action lawsuit in the very least.

Vote. We need House, Senate, and President to not be corporate fascists so that we can impeach at least 2 or 3 supreme court judges, replace them with rational human beings, reverse the overturning of Chevron Deference, and then let a stronger FTC gut these fucking companies.

Self dealing, competition buying, corporate fascists. The lot of them.

[–] Zikeji@programming.dev 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What we can work on is awareness. If iOS users are aware, they can choose to simply go to the website directly and make the purchase, instead of using the app. They can still use the app for consumption.

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 months ago

Yep, that's what everyone I know with Apple devices have always done. I used to have a Nexus 7 (rip) and an iPhone, and the prices on the App store were always higher than the prices on Android Market (rip).

I'm wondering why it's being pointed out now by everyone, but I'm not gonna complain if it leads to some sort of price parity regulation across platforms.

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[–] sndmn@lemmy.ca 67 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Someone's looking to get in on some anti-trust action.

[–] cornshark@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I thought Apple's app store practices were found to be legal in the Epic Games trial? (unlike Google's)

[–] lengau@midwest.social 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Which is kinda ridiculous since Apple's practices are what Google does but worse.

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[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 40 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I'm okay with paying 30% where the return on investment is worth it. Both the Appstore and Google Play do literally nothing for you, except distribution, and payment processing. These really don't deserve to take such a big cut, and I don't really want to hear any more excuses in their favor

[–] proton_lynx@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

This is not about the App Store service's quality, this is about option. They could charge 50% for all I care, if we had the option to buy iOS apps from another store other than Apple's.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 3 months ago (14 children)
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[–] tudor@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

This couldn’t have come at a worse time, given their DOJ suit.

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