I've been trying to use Matrix to replace sites like Discord or Slack. But it seems that if a user creates an invitation-only room in a server, then invited users who are registered on other servers get errors when trying to join. Not very useful error messages either: "Failed to join room". (In my case, I tried creating accounts and rooms at nitro.chat and then at converser.eu, but friends registered at matrix.org don't manage to join).

Quite a let-down. Anyone who's facing the same problem and has maybe managed to solve it?

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[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 43 points 2 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

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[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Revolt with federation (they are hinting XMPP) would be very nice

https://developers.revolt.chat/faq.html

[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's why I said "would"

[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Below the sentence you quoted

However, this does not necessarily mean federation is off the table, possible avenues are:

Implement our own federation protocol
Implement a promising up and coming federation protocol, polyproto
Implement the Matrix protocol (unlikely, obtuse and unstable)

Implement the XMPP protocol (battle-tested and stable)

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

One can only hope, but it is still very promising without.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Do you use it?

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 2 points 2 months ago

Yea, but voice is pretty borked atm.

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[–] Glasgow@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Matrix 2.0 is pretty close.

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[–] iopq@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Works on my machine

[–] andrew_s@piefed.social 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In my experience it looks like a case of matrix clients not doing a good job of communicating that things happening in the background haven't finished yet, and throwing generic error messages (a bit like lemmy-ui does sometimes).

I've been able to join invite-only rooms on other instances - it said 'failed' at first, but when I went back later it turned out that I had actually joined.

[–] subignition@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What are some of the popular Matrix clients that you've seen have this problem? And are they open source?

I've been curious about Matrix for a while as a potential Discord replacement, but haven't actually tried it. Might be interesting to check it out and see whether I can contribute to one of the clients somehow.

[–] andrew_s@piefed.social 3 points 2 months ago

I've only ever used Element for Android. The source is here: https://github.com/element-hq

[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Matrix definitely has its problems. Recently I've moved to a private matrix install and a lot of the issues I was having went away. I think the matrix.org domain is overloaded and has a bunch of weird errors because of it. If your account or rooms are hosted there and you have issues I'd try running somewhere else and see if you have the same problems.

Like someone else said the clients have issues too. A lot of them don't know how to report the errors they run into so they spit out garbage. There isn't a single client that works perfectly but there are a few that are good enough to use if you aren't using them for mission critical communication. It's stupid but it is what it is.

Discord sucks ass and no one will convince me otherwise. I have no desire to support them and their constant nitro spam. I'd rather use something like matrix and see how it develops.

[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 2 months ago

I want to use matrix so bad but matrix clients suck and there's no voice channels like discord

[–] kali@fedia.io 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Prose is an extremely good looking crosd platform XMPP client coming out very soon, I'm hoping that will help.

Currently XMPP is my preferred federated messaging platform, but to say the clients are bad would be an understatement

[–] pglpm@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago

Looks very promising! thank you for sharing. Seems worth trying and supporting.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Does it support threads? That's the feature that is usually missing in XMPP clients

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago

They are working on that, yes.

But I would rather have no threads than those like Element has... what a mess 🫠

[–] kali@fedia.io 2 points 2 months ago

I'm not sure, it might be on their website. I hope so.

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[–] HKayn@dormi.zone 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

B-b-but the Fediverse told me that XMPP was embrace-extend-extinguished by Google!!?!

[–] kali@fedia.io 2 points 2 months ago

it kinda was but it seems to be getting more popular again

the protocol has also changed a huge amount since google used it, but its still quite a small community as far as messaging apps go

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Matrix is a protocol, unlike discord. The problems often come with the different clients. I personally suggest fluffychat wherever I go since that is the most usable in my experience. Element I have installed as a backup on all my devices if I need to troubleshoot.

Same as with apple‘s „iforgot“ service: the privilege of privacy comes with responsibility. You must either take care of a couple things yourself or pay someone to do it. On discord, a huge margin of people pays with real money and the rest with their data.

To the topic: Matrix rooms have a version and the server you make them on matters a lot. Therefore I would stay on org if none of you know your way around. If you have skills, make your own and configure it in the most non individual way possible for maximum compatibility. If people cant join even when you invited them, you might have to check if the servers each federate correctly. If not, switch servers or tell your admin.

Edit: you‘ll probably get advice at !matrix@lemmy.ml

[–] pglpm@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

I didn't know about !matrix, cheers!!

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

the thing that drives me absolutely into matrix-hate-rage is the scrolling. if youre in a matrix space with lots of little different windows attempting to scroll through almost any context is a crapshoot at best.

i like the idea of matrix, but its implementation is hot garbage.

[–] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 11 points 2 months ago

One of my favorite matrix games is playing "guess where it thinks the unread marker should be."

I'm just as likely to be right as it is.

[–] neo@lemmy.hacktheplanet.be 5 points 2 months ago

Me too! When I’m scrolling in a room reading a backlog it will jump all over the place. I don’t know why but that is super annoying. It’s as if it’s some html / css anchoring going horribly wrong or something. First I thought it was caused by the client, but it happens in Element as well as Fluffy chat. I try to avoid Matrix as much as possible because of that.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

XMPP is the way.

[–] JetpackJackson@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

Seconded. Once I installed Cheogram I haven't wanted to open any of my matrix chats

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That error happens because the room federation sync takes longer than the join client-server request timeout. Just try again.

[–] TheRealCharlesEames@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

A bullet proof Matrix UX would be too OP

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ive had a better time with good old irc. But I hope matrix takes over...

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

IRC can actually be quite good. The main problem is the super outdated popular networks like libera.chat, but if your run your own IRC server with modern clients it works nicely (or you can use a good bouncer like Soju). Supplement it with a Mumble or Jitsi-meet server and you got at least a functional equivalent to Discord, even though of course not nearly as polished or easy to use as Discord.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I run it off yunohost which comes with it by default. Im not saying its the best to have servers come with it by default, but I sure use it quite a bit!

[–] AsudoxDev@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Matrix is not quite like Discord, but we have Revolt. Try that. It's a discord clone.

[–] verstra@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago

It works great for a closed group of people, all on one instance. Another data point that federation is hard.

[–] endofline@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Which client do you use? Desktop is the best working, second android element slow and laggy but fullest implementation so far, worst are element x which they created only to test still draft phase feature speeding up syncing but otherwise half backed. There is no other third party clients which would be significantly complaint with the protocol

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