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The ability to change features, prices, and availability of things you've already paid for is a powerful temptation to corporations.

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[–] Rough_N_Ready@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Piracy was never stealing. It’s copyright infringement, but that’s not the same as stealing at all. People saying it’s stealing have always been wrong.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

One of the great modern scams, was to convince society that unauthorized copying of data is somehow equivalent to taking away a physical object.

[–] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Jesus didn’t ask for permission to copy bread and fish. It’s a clear moral precedent that if you can copy you should.

What would the Jesus do?

Checkmate Atheists!

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Jesus was the first pirate.

[–] diannetea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wasn't the idea and origin story of Jesus stolen from previous texts and religions lol

[–] odium@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

They forked Judaism

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Nah, that would be Prometheus.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A PURSE

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Piracy was never stealing, it was only copyright infringement.

Stealing is a crime that goes back to the 10 commandments, it's old. When you steal something you take it from someone else, depriving them of it.

Copyright infringement is a newish crime where the government has granted a megacorporation a 120 year monopoly on the expression of an idea. If you infringe that copyright, they still have the original, and can keep selling copies of that original to everyone else, but they might miss out on the opportunity to make a sale to you. Obviously, that's very different from stealing something.

[–] blusterydayve26@midwest.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Stealing is a crime that goes back to the 10 commandments, it’s old.

https://youtu.be/Qi5GXwY7W_0?t=165

Not exactly. The original translation from Hebrew was closer to “thou shall not kidnap,” arresting control of a person’s personal boundaries and will, not a violation of personal property, which didn't really exist as a concept at the time.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (10 children)

The irony is, you pirating today has been shown to influence you buying it later on in a sale. And there’s a good argument to be made about your word of mouth praise helping their sales.

[–] PrincessZelda@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Biggest personal examples are Minecraft and FL Studio. I asked my parents to buy Minecraft for me after a week of pirating it, and I bought an FL Studio license when I could afford to, nearly a decade after I first used it. I don't use it much, but it felt right.

[–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yup, pirated jedi: fallen order. liked the game very much, but jedi: survivor wasn't cracked yet. so i bought a key for 30€.

the problem is: it runs like shit, because it's a bad PS5 port and denuvo probably also has an effect on that.

i will never buy from EA again.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

It likely was the fault of denuvo, which ironically piracy would strip improving the experience.

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[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (8 children)

If there is no easy way to own what you buy, then piracy becomes a moral obligation to preserve culture for future generations.

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[–] WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (26 children)
  • When you take 5 eur from my pocket - you are stealing.
  • When you take 5 eur from my pocket, make a copy and put my original 5 eur back to my pocket - this is not stealing.
[–] crsu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Put 5 eur in my pocket and i have to dance

[–] greenmarty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Some people would call it counterfeiting but we won't do that , right ?

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Further to that, paying for a product then the seller taking that product away from you without refunding your payment is stealing.

[–] WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

YES! This IS stealing!

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 points 2 years ago

Man does "Google Nest" come to mind. Buys company. Pushes it all over the place. "Eh, I think we're done. Whole ecosystem useless now."

Which is par for the course with Google and not at all a surprise, but sheesh.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Forget about features and prices, how about actual content?

2017 I buy this space shooter game called "Destiny 2". It has some problems, but it's decent enough. $60 buy in. The single player story missions took you through four initial planets/moons, the European Dead Zone, Titan, Nessus, and Io, recovering your power and kicking the asses of the space turtles who tried to kill everyone.

Expansion 1, 2, 3 and 4 come out widening the story, adding more locations, Mercury, Mars, The Tangled Shore and the Dreaming City, the Moon... with all the associated story missions, strikes, raids...

And I bought in on those too. Some hundreds of dollars.

Roll forward to 2020, almost 2,000 hours in game. Bungie decides they're done with story missions and removes them from the game. They also decide that the game is "too big" for new players to get into, and seeking a Fortnite, free to play style audience, removes 1/2 of the content from the game.

Existing players like me drop the game because content we paid good money for and hours we spent exploring, collecting and curating gear, just went up in smoke.

New players now have no onboarding point and are incredibly confused because there's no story and no real way to get into the game.

So Bungie managed to completely alienate both their existing user base, and the one they hoped to attract.

Oh, and they have now promised not to do it again, but at the same time, haven't brought the content back either.

It's an online service as a game too, so piracy is not an option. The only way to experience the original content is through YouTube videos.

https://youtu.be/EVH865r2J8k

[–] code@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago

This is exactly me. Started in d1 beta. I quit cold the day the removed my purchased content

[–] Camille_Jamal@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 weeks ago

Dad joined when it was still okay. I joined when it was grindy. We played a very different game. After a month or two I decided it was too grindy; even if someone offered me an account with all dlc and season passes at no cost to me ever, I would decline. If media is pirated and shared, it has high enough quality to be shared. It is the most awkward sign of respect a creator could receive, respect nonetheless. D2 is currently so bad it’s not even worth trying to steal paid content. Apparently Anthem was in a similar boat, the game sucked, but it had a lot of potential. Dad has an art book from them and I spent days looking at it. When I asked him what it was originally meant to be, he told me all about the game, how it was promised and meant to be, and the same reskinned grindy 100+hour game it became. D2 and Anthem should have been made to their potential.

[–] DeadNinja@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't exactly recall when or where I heard/read this quote, but man it is dope

  • "it should not be a concern when people pirate your content, it should be when people don't even want to pirate your content"
[–] Mango@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I am the guy! I made the quote! Feels goddamn awesome to see it everywhere now!

Not the one you said, but OP quote.

[–] Camille_Jamal@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 weeks ago

The “if buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing” quote?

[–] owen@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

I remember this from the hip hop scene. You know you've fallen off when nobody is sharing/pirating your album

[–] crsu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I look forward to this gem being repeated along with "enshittification" by the dunning krugers at large

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