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[–] OutrageousUmpire@lemmy.world 76 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah I remember being taught in church about forgiveness and love. And then taught about Lucifer being kicked out to hell forever, no chance of redemption. It didn’t make sense to me, even as a kid. I think I asked a Sunday school teacher about it and got a nonsensical rationalization.

[–] Microw@lemm.ee 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Probably because the whole Lucifer Story is apocryphic and was pierced together/made up by church teachers. It doesnt fit with the message of the New Testament one bit.

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

expanding on this, even the existence of eternal hell is fairly controversial among theologians. this is from the page on [Christian Univeralism]:(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_universalism)

The first clear mention of endless misery is to be found in a work from 155 to 165 AD by Tatian.[18] According to theologian Edward Beecher, in the first four centuries there were six main theological schools and only one of them advocated the idea of eternal hell.

[–] kemsat@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also, most of the Bible is stolen from other religions & spiritualities that existed around before it was all codified.

[–] Microw@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Stolen" is a bit of a harsh word, it was normal for the various religious cults back then to influence each other

[–] kemsat@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Microw@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dude I'm pretty Sure there wasnt a person going "I'll steal this from another religion". That's not how things go

[–] kemsat@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

That’s exactly how it goes. They take from other religions so it’s easier for their religion to take hold.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

It's just nonsensical rationalizations all the way down.

[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

What I was taught was that because Lucifer and his followers were literally in heaven or wherever and knew God personally, they essentially should've known better than to rebel. On earth, hardly anyone has perfect faith, so they get some leeway for not knowing better.

That's the extent of my knowledge on that and I don't even believe it, but that's what I was taught

[–] TIN@feddit.uk 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At last, a greentext that doesn't seem to be made up for internet kudos.

[–] SiegeRhino@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago (2 children)

actually I don't think OP is really Lucifer

[–] SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

Lying? On the internet?

[–] misterundercoat@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Sorry, kid. The game was rigged from the start.

[–] slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If I remember correctly, the reason Lucifer rebelled was because god made him subservient to man.

Can't say I blame him really.

[–] MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

in BC times too. bad times. imagine being a babd of roaming sapiens and finding a clan of dumb Neanderthals

war. war neve... Bonk

[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I need to catch up on my bible lore.

[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago

You shouldn't have fought a battle you know you couldn't win

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago

If you gun for the sky father you better not miss.

[–] tslnox@reddthat.com -1 points 1 year ago

Hey, assbutt!