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Take note Bluesky fans: Your "benevolent" controlling nonprofit can quickly become a for-profit if enough cash is thrown at the governing board...

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[–] patatahooligan@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Take note Bluesky fans: Your “benevolent” controlling nonprofit can quickly become a for-profit if enough cash is thrown at the governing board…

Isn't Bluesky an open-source implementation of an open protocol? And isn't Bluesky already a for-profit organization? The point is you don't trust the corporation. You trust the availability of the code and the protocol specification. People should be setting up instances just like they did with lemmy.

[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

Sort of, but not quite...It's intentionally done in a way that in no way scales well and quickly becomes cost prohibitive for small players (not just individuals) to run a server because it requires an insane amount of data and bandwidth. So in practice you can only run a server if you're willing to throw a shitload of money after server capacity.

[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

That's not true at all actually, running a PDS uses about as many resources as a regular personal blog HTML server (as it doesn't do anything but serve up your signed posts), and running a relay with only the couple thousand people that have decided to host their own PDSes is home self-hostable.

Good blog post here clearing some stuff up: https://whtwnd.com/alexia.bsky.cyrneko.eu/3l727v7zlis2i

[–] AwakenedAce@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 hour ago

Yes, you can run a PDS, but while it might be true that you can self-host a relay with a couple thousand people (I didn't find anything about this in that blog post but I don't see why you couldn't), using a limited relay like that would mean this would not be a full/real instance of Bluesky (unless you disconnect from the rest of the network, but then why even bother)

So let's examine the problems with relays here:

After recent growth, our out-of-box relay implementation (bigsky) requires on the order of 16 TBytes of fast NVMe disk, and that will grow proportional to content in the network.

Core Bluesky engineer's blogpost

In July this was "only" about 1TB, in mid November around 5TB, and now 16TB? That's insane growth if you want to self-host that, and will get expensive really fast really quickly, especially since fast storage is important here. I don't think many individuals have the resources to self host this just for themselves.

Another critical problem is that when more people self-host relays this has the wonderful side-effect of increasing the necessary computation power and network use, because Bluesky scales O(n^2 ) , which is really bad if you want anything close to a decentralized network.

So yes, it is true that it scales down terribly, this is by design. It's a step up from Twitter, because this time multiple corporations can control it instead of one, but it isn't that good either.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Facebook creating a bluesky instance in 3... 2... 1...

[–] discimus@mander.xyz 16 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Reaching A.G.I. could also reshape OpenAI’s business. When that declaration is made, Microsoft loses its rights to use OpenAI’s technology, according to the investment contract it signed with OpenAI. If OpenAI severs its ties to Microsoft, it could consider partnerships with other tech giants.

Already, OpenAI’s for-profit company has used this potential declaration as leverage against Microsoft — warning that if Microsoft will not agree to better terms, the nonprofit might issue this declaration and void their entire agreement, according to a person familiar with the company’s negotiations.

That's pretty messed up. So whenever OpenAI says they've achieved AGI it's just a gonna be a lie.

[–] JasminIstMuede@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I'm actually surprised AGI isn't better defined in the contract, or that there isn't a burden of proof so that they can't lie, but that was definitely on purpose. I really can't imagine them severing that tie though; OpenAI simply isn't financially stable enough, especially in the long term, and I'm sure they know it too.

[–] hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 51 minutes ago

I'm actually surprised AGI isn't better defined in the contract

There'll be a significant lawsuit if OpenAI tries such a declaration without MS on board with it.

But i'm not sure how much OpenAI is even investing toward AGI. LLM is their bread and butter and I don't know many experts that think LLM is the path to AGI.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 25 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Take note Bluesky fans: Your "benevolent" controlling nonprofit can quickly become a for-profit if enough cash is thrown at the governing board...

Mozilla and Firefox too....

[–] zabadoh@lemmy.ml 14 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Except Mozilla has declining revenues.

Possibly even less money in the future if the Google antitrust suit bars them from paying Mozilla to place their search engine first.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 20 points 12 hours ago

I mean, that can be even worse IMO, desperation can be just as bad as greed, even if the motives are very different

[–] rocci@lemmy.ml 7 points 12 hours ago

Yikes, that's a scary thought

[–] Mandy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

The constant hate i see for bluesky on Lemmy and the seemingly irresistible urge to constantly trash it feels not only unwarranted, but also sad how bitter so many people here seek to be.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Reddit habits die hard for many.

I don't hate it, but I'm also not going to pretend it's the hot, new decentralized microblogging service, come to shake up the status quo. It maybe has the potential to be decentralized, but it's not currently. It might be a "public benefit" company now, but that's not an official or regulated classification like being a nonprofit; it's basically just a promise, and all it would take is a simple vote to change that. All the power still rests with the main corporation, and no matter how altruistic the leadership is, history has shown that every wealthy leader has a price.

I hope it becomes what it promises it's going to be. More decentralized services are a good thing for people. However, I don't see it at this moment, and I don't have any evidence that they're making meaningful strides to become what they promise; time and inertia are not on their side.

[–] Mandy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago

Not a single person in the world other than turbo mega nerds like us will ever care about decentralised platforms, or even know what that means.

[–] Mondez@lemdro.id 10 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You might be right and in any case the new boss is better than the old boss right? Then again maybe this is just the honeymoon period which bluesky soaks up as many users as it can before the enshittification begins to start wringing profit out of the enterprise? Time will te if the hate is justified or just sour grapes.

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 hours ago

It's like people don't pay attention on purpose I swear