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[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 239 points 1 week ago (56 children)

Agreed. But we need a solution against bots just as much. There's no way the majority of comments in the near future won't just be LLMs.

I think it would make sense to channel all bots/propaganda into some concentrated channels. Something like https://lemmygrad.ml/u/yogthos where you can just block all propaganda by blocking one account.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 78 points 1 week ago (25 children)

Closed instances with vetted members, there’s no other way.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 131 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

Too high of a barrier to entry is doomed to fail.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 40 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Programming.dev does this and is the tenth largest instance.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 124 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

Techy people are a lot more likely to jump through a couple of hoops for something better, compared to your average Joe who isn't even aware of the problem

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

I started using Twitter in 2009. It was just techy people back then. Things are allowed to take time and grow organically.

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[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

10th largest instance being like 10k users... we're talking about the need for a solution to help pull the literal billions of users from mainstream social media

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[–] mspencer712@programming.dev 75 points 1 week ago (7 children)

My own “we need” list, from a dork who stood up a web server nearly 25 years ago to host weeb crap for friends on IRC:

We need a baseline security architecture recipe people can follow, to cover the huge gap in needs between “I’m running one thing for the general public and I hope it doesn’t get hacked” and “I’m running a hundred things in different VMs and containers and I don’t want to lose everything when just one of them gets hacked.”

(I’m slowly building something like this for mspencer.net but it’s difficult. I’ll happily share what I learn for others to copy, since I have no proprietary interest in it, but I kinda suck at this and someone else succeeding first is far more likely)

We need innovative ways to represent the various ideas, contributions, debates, informative replies, and everything else we share, beyond just free form text with an image. Private communities get drowned in spam and “brain resource exhaustion attacks” without it. Decompose the task of moderation into pieces that can be divided up and audited, where right now they’re all very top down.

Distributed identity management (original 90s PGP web of trust type stuff) can allow moderating users without mass-judging entire instances or network services. Users have keys and sign stuff, and those cryptographic signatures can be used to prove “you said you would honor rule X, but you broke that rule here, as attested to by these signing users.” So people or communities that care about rule X know to maybe not trust that user to follow that rule.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Guillotines are another option.

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[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (5 children)

If social media becomes decentralized we might even gain traction reversing some of the brainwashing on the masses. The current giants are just propaganda machines. Always have been, but it's now blatant and obvious. They don't even care to hide it.

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[–] Decker108@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 week ago

Hey, that's us!

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Guns are the only alternative to the tech oligarchy.

You think they can't buy, manipulate, or just crush decentralized social media? If anything they can do it easily, divide and conquer. FOSS ain't gonna free you, esp. when the largest contributors to FOSS projects are big corps.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 43 points 1 week ago (5 children)

That's absurd. Large sharp dropped blades, poison, starvation, spears, looped ropes, fire... There are many alternatives available.

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[–] erotador@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

so we just all buy guns and fend for ourselves? we need communities in order to fight fascism, we need to be able to organize and share valuable information with people. is technology the answer to the problem? no its not, but it is part of the answer, and to ignore that is shortsighted.

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (12 children)

It might be the only path forward.

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[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

Let's call it by it's name: neofeudalism/technofeudalism

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

In the same way that email has been decentralized from the get go, social media could have been equally decentralized, and I don't mean in the older php forums, but in a different way that would allow people to reconnect with others and maintain contacts.

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[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 29 points 1 week ago (11 children)

There's another alternative, which is no social media at all. There is no particular problem that it solved. If it disappeared, would your quality of life be worse in any way?

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Forums and communities like these were very important for me growing up in the rural US South

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[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

I could live without all the news and stuff, and I do just ignore it when it gets too much. The ability to communicate with other people across the entire world however is something I really appreciate.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm actually going to suggest; Yes, possibly. But for a very specific reason.

While much of social media isn't ultra necessary, federated social media could be quite essential to collectivising and resisting state and corporate manipulation and propaganda. All other forms of media and news are corporate or state controlled, and thus can construct and project false narritives that are beneficial to their aims, much to our collective detriment.

Social media has become the dominant way that many, possibly most people, see the news, discuss such news with eachother from people around the globe, and build a picture of what's going on outside of their isolated part of the world. I think Noam Chomsky in Manufacturing Consent gives a pretty fantastic argument on the importance of citizen controlled media, and federated social media is about as citizen controlled as it can possibly get. It's non-corporate self-hosted open source software as far as the eye can see! It's not perfect, but holy shit this is as powerful as a tool to diseminate ideas and information on a grassroots level that we've ever had, and we should not underestimate its usefulness in the coming decade.

[–] arararagi@ani.social 19 points 1 week ago

We wouldn't be having this conversation though.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] kava@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (25 children)

I have a feeling this place and other decentralized social medias will be banned in the near future. Look at what's happening to TIktok. You either bend the knee or you get axed. It's why the other social media giants bent the knee. They understand the writing on the wall. There's more going on behind the scenes that they don't share with us. I think we're sort of watching a quiet coup.

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[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

1000% agree. There is no freedom but the freedom that we build together.

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[–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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I want not just decentralized

but peer to peer

like Briar, but Lemmy-style

[–] Lila_Uraraka@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I am so happy I have an account on here, even if some people can be quite abrasive

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