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[–] gerryflap@feddit.nl 1 points 52 seconds ago

These models don't get single characters but rather tokens repenting multiple characters. While I also don't like the "AI" hype, this image is also very 1 dimensional hate and misreprents the usefulness of these models by picking one adversarial example.

Today ChatGPT saved me a fuckton of time by linking me to the exact issue on gitlab that discussed the issue I was having (full system freezes using Bottles installed with flatpak on Arch. This was the URL it came up with: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/linux/-/issues/110

This issue is one day old. When I looked this shit up myself I found exactly nothing useful on both DDG or Google. After this ChatGPT also provided me with the information that the LTS kernel exists and how to install it. Obviously I verified that stuff before using it, because these LLMs have their limits. Now my system works again, and figuring this out myself would've cost me hours because I had no idea what broke. Was it flatpak, Nvidia, the kernel, Wayland, Bottles, some random shit I changed in a config file 2 years ago? Well thanks to ChatGPT I know.

They're tools, and they can provide new insights that can be very useful. Just don't expect them to always tell the truth, or to actually be human-like

[–] eggymachus@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 hours ago

A guy is driving around the back woods of Montana and he sees a sign in front of a broken down shanty-style house: 'Talking Dog For Sale.'

He rings the bell and the owner appears and tells him the dog is in the backyard.

The guy goes into the backyard and sees a nice looking Labrador Retriever sitting there.

"You talk?" he asks.

"Yep" the Lab replies.

After the guy recovers from the shock of hearing a dog talk, he says, "So, what's your story?"

The Lab looks up and says, "Well, I discovered that I could talk when I was pretty young. I wanted to help the government, so I told the CIA. In no time at all they had me jetting from country to country, sitting in rooms with spies and world leaders, because no one figured a dog would be eavesdropping, I was one of their most valuable spies for eight years running... but the jetting around really tired me out, and I knew I wasn't getting any younger so I decided to settle down. I signed up for a job at the airport to do some undercover security, wandering near suspicious characters and listening in. I uncovered some incredible dealings and was awarded a batch of medals. I got married, had a mess of puppies, and now I'm just retired."

The guy is amazed. He goes back in and asks the owner what he wants for the dog.

"Ten dollars" the guy says.

"Ten dollars? This dog is amazing! Why on Earth are you selling him so cheap?"

"Because he's a liar. He's never been out of the yard."

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 26 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

There is an alternative reality out there where LLMs were never marketed as AI and were marketed as random generator.

In that world, tech savvy people would embrace this tech instead of having to constantly educate people that it is in fact not intelligence.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 30 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

I've already had more than one conversation where people quote AI as if it were a source, like quoting google as a source. When I showed them how it can sometimes lie and explain it's not a primary source for anything I just get that blank stare like I have two heads.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 hours ago

Me too. More than once on a language learning subreddit for my first language: "I asked ChatGPT whether this was correct grammar in German, it said no, but I read this counterexample", then everyone correctly responded "why the fuck are you asking ChatGPT about this".

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[–] VintageGenious@sh.itjust.works 54 points 9 hours ago (41 children)

Because you're using it wrong. It's good for generative text and chains of thought, not symbolic calculations including math or linguistics

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 hours ago

Because you're using it wrong.

No, I think you mean to say it’s because you’re using it for the wrong use case.

Well this tool has been marketed as if it would handle such use cases.

I don’t think I’ve actually seen any AI marketing that was honest about what it can do.

I personally think image recognition is the best use case as it pretty much does what it promises.

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[–] Tgo_up@lemm.ee 16 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

This is a bad example.. If I ask a friend "is strawberry spelled with one or two r's"they would think I'm asking about the last part of the word.

The question seems to be specifically made to trip up LLMs. I've never heard anyone ask how many of a certain letter is in a word. I've heard people ask how you spell a word and if it's with one or two of a specific letter though.

If you think of LLMs as something with actual intelligence you're going to be very unimpressed.. It's just a model to predict the next word.

[–] renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net 23 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

If you think of LLMs as something with actual intelligence you're going to be very unimpressed.. It's just a model to predict the next word.

This is exactly the problem, though. They don’t have “intelligence” or any actual reasoning, yet they are constantly being used in situations that require reasoning.

Maybe if you focus on pro- or anti-AI sources, but if you talk to actual professionals or hobbyists solving actual problems, you'll see very different applications. If you go into it looking for problems, you'll find them, likewise if you go into it for use cases, you'll find them.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

If you think of LLMs as something with actual intelligence you're going to be very unimpressed

Artificial sugar is still sugar.

Artificial intelligence implies there is intelligence in some shape or form.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago

Artificial sugar is still sugar.

Because it contains sucrose, fructose or glucose? Because it metabolises the same and matches the glycemic index of sugar?

Because those are all wrong. What's your criteria?

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Something that pretends or looks like intelligence, but actually isn't at all is a perfectly valid interpretation of the word artificial - fake intelligence.

[–] whynot_1@lemmy.world 32 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I think I have seen this exact post word for word fifty times in the last year.

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 14 points 7 hours ago (6 children)

Has the number of "r"s changed over that time?

[–] artificialfish@programming.dev 8 points 7 hours ago

This is literally just a tokenization artifact. If I asked you how many r’s are in /0x5273/0x7183 you’d be confused too.

[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 18 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It's predictive text on speed. The LLMs currently in vogue hardly qualify as A.I. tbh..

[–] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 9 points 8 hours ago

Still, it’s kinda insane how two years ago we didn’t imagine we would be instructing programs like “be helpful but avoid sensitive topics”.

That was definitely a big step in AI.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 11 points 9 hours ago

It's like someone who has no formal education but has a high level of confidence and eavesdrops on a lot of random conversations.

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 5 points 7 hours ago

I asked mistral/brave AI and got this response:

How Many Rs in Strawberry

The word "strawberry" contains three "r"s. This simple question has highlighted a limitation in large language models (LLMs), such as GPT-4 and Claude, which often incorrectly count the number of "r"s as two. The error stems from the way these models process text through a process called tokenization, where text is broken down into smaller units called tokens. These tokens do not always correspond directly to individual letters, leading to errors in counting specific letters within words.

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