idk, from an american perspective, pretty sure the americans that support Ukraine also support Palestine, whereas the americans that support Russia also support Israel.

mostly certain.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Idk if this is a hot take, but imo the war in Ukraine is pretty clear city while the Palestinian and Israeli conflict his an infinite list of wrinkles and nuances.

It's far less controversial to say the former is Russia's fault than it is to say the latter is either Palestine's or Israel's fault.

[–] Ineocla@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yeah mostly because isreal/ Palestine conflict is much older then russia/Ukraine so a lot of things happened. But at it's very core they both started because of the same claim : russia claimed used to own Ukraine so they want it back. The jews used to own Palestine so they want it back. So if you support Ukraine and isreal you're just a hypocrite

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

I haven't seen anyone here "support Israel". Almost everyone agrees that the Israeli State is not free of guilt, far from it.

What people really disagree over is whether that alone makes Palestine right (nuanced) and whether it justifies Hamas' actions (unhinged but unfortunately semi-common take on here).

[–] ZapBeebz_@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

I mean, if you go further back than 1947/1948, didn't the Palestinians used to own Israel? Or do we want to go even further back, to about 1200 BCE?

[–] bigFab@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Palestinian conflict is very simple: an army vs civilians. Only gonna end when all the latter are dead.

Should we ever try to sanction that army? Never! Should we try sanctioning US for killing million iraqis who had not a WMD? No! Should we sanction Nato for bombing the wealthiest african estate libya to it's ruin? Ah wait, WE are Nato. Can't shoot own ankle.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Seems like both armies versus civilians.

There's not many other conflicts where I can remark "two war crimes don't make a right" damn near every time.

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[–] sevens@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azs7As3MYFU

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[–] Kra@mtgzone.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah because Palestine is the aggressor here and to fully blame. Slava ukraini and fuck Palestine.

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd keep my hand up

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[–] MasterNerd@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm surprised more hexbears haven't jumped on this

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[–] Outtatime@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

Because the TV tells them who to support

[–] bigFab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ppl who have no idea how palestinian conflict started half a century ago commenting like 'completely different cases!'

Same ppl fifty years later and war continues in Ukraine: 'ok, now I get it'

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[–] wabafee@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Both suck to be fair but Israel for me suck less. My reasoning mostly stem on their Ideology. Israel leans more to the US. Israel though recently leaning more to the extreme right, is still liberal compared to the rest of the nations in middle east. Woman has more freedom under Israel it seems. LGBT is more supported in Israel. For Hamas on the other hand has the same vibe for me with Taliban it doesn't help that it is supported by Iran and Russia. As for Ukraine I support them since they lean more to the West (EU and the US) and they are more democratic than Russia. That's my thought anyway.

[–] jackmarxist@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

So you support Israel committing genocide in Palestine because they lean west. Way to go lil bro

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[–] Adkml@hexbear.net -1 points 2 years ago

"I support the fascistsdoing a genocide because they're aligned with us and do our bidding" is the kind of honesty we're looking for from liberals on foreign policy.

Genuinely, thank you for your honesty. Can you please tell the rest of the libs to communicate like this and we wouldn't be as mean to them.

[–] missandry351@lemmings.world -1 points 5 months ago

Slava Israel 🇮🇱

[–] neshura@bookwormstory.social -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

ho boy, here we go again.

At this point in time that conflict has been going on for so long, I have no clue anymore who started it. So all I can do is judge both sides by their current actions without historical justification which, to me, results in fanatical religious fascists fighting fanatical religious fascists with neither side caring for civilian casualties. Not exactly a situation in which I'd support any side tbh.

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[–] essellburns@beehaw.org -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Let's make a list of all the ways Ukraine is different to Palestine.

We'll be here a while.

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[–] Gabu@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Hurr durr, now that a palestinian terrorist group is attacking is the best moment to be vocal about palestinian freedom

And you people wonder why you get downvoted?

[–] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Legitimatlly curious if 6 months has changed your perspective?

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[–] surge_1@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Dumb meme, the 2 situations are not similar.

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