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[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The only way this would be ok is if openai was actually open. make the entire damn thing free and open source, and most of the complaints will go away.

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[–] rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 105 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"We can't succeed without breaking the law. We can't succeed without operating unethically."

I'm so sick of this bullshit. They pretend to love a free market until it's not in their favor and then they ask us to bend over backwards for them.

Too many people think they're superior. Which is ironic, because they're also the ones asking for handouts and rule bending. If you were superior, you wouldn't need all the unethical things that you're asking for.

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[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why does Sam have such a punchable face?

[–] demonsword@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (8 children)
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[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 118 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Fine by me. Can it be over today?

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 105 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Training that AI is absolutely fair use.

Selling that AI service that was trained on copyrighted material is absolutely not fair use.

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[–] hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz 30 points 1 day ago

over it is then. Buh bye!

[–] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 445 points 2 days ago (25 children)

That's a good litmus test. If asking/paying artists to train your AI destroys your business model, maybe you're the arsehole. ;)

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 100 points 2 days ago (15 children)

Not only that, but their business model doesn't hold up if they were required to provide their model weights for free because the material that went into it was "free".

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 60 points 1 day ago

So pirating full works for commercial use suddenly is "fair use", or what? Lets see what e.g. Disney says about this.

[–] SaladKing@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is exactly what social media companies have been doing for a while (it’s free, yes) they use your data to train their algorithms to squeeze more money out of people. They get a tangible and monetary benefit from our collective data. These AI companies want to train their AI on our hard work and then get monetary benefit off of it. How is this not seen as theft or even if they are not doing it just yet…how is it not seen as an attempt at theft?

How come people (not the tech savvy) are unable to see how they are being exploited? These companies are not currently working towards any UBI bills or policies in governments that I am aware of. Since they want to take our work, and use it to get rich and their investors rich why do they think they are justified in using people’s work? It just seems so slime-y.

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[–] efrique@lemm.ee 216 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I'm fine with this. "We can't succeed without breaking the law" isn't much of an argument.

Do I think the current copyright laws around the world are fine? No, far from it.

But why do they merit an exception to the rules that will make them billions, but the rest of us can be prosecuted in severe and dramatic fashion for much less. Try letting the RIAA know you have a song you've downloaded on your PC that you didn't pay for - tell them it's for "research and training purposes", just like AI uses stuff it didn't pay for - and see what I mean by severe and dramatic.

It should not be one rule for the rich guys to get even richer and the rest of us can eat dirt.

Figure out how to fix the laws in a way that they're fair for everyone, including figuring out a way to compensate the people whose IP you've been stealing.

Until then, deal with the same legal landscape as everyone else. Boo hoo

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[–] thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Slave owners might go broke after abolition? 😂

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[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 day ago

Business that stole everyone's information to train a model complains that businesses can steal information to train models.

Yeah I'll pour one out for folks who promised to open-source their model and then backed out the moment the money appeared... Wankers.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Copyrights should have never been extended longer than 5 years in the first place, either remove draconian copyright laws or outlaw LLM style models using copyrighted material, corpos can't have both.

[–] Rainbowsaurus@lemm.ee 29 points 1 day ago (18 children)

Bro, what? Some books take more than 5 years to write and you want their authors to only have authorship of it for 5 years? Wtf. I have published books that are a dozen years old and I'm in my mid-30s. This is an insane take.

[–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The one I thought was a good compromise was 14 years, with the option to file again for a single renewal for a second 14 years. That was the basic system in the US for quite a while, and it has the benefit of being a good fit for the human life span--it means that the stuff that was popular with our parents when we were kids, i.e. the cultural milieu in which we were raised, would be public domain by the time we were adults, and we'd be free to remix it and revisit it. It also covers the vast majority of the sales lifetime of a work, and makes preservation and archiving more generally feasible.

5 years may be an overcorrection, but I think very limited terms like that are closer to the right solution than our current system is.

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[–] Geodad@lemm.ee 123 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I mean, if they are allowed to go forward then we should be allowed to freely pirate as well.

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[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Oh no anyway.jpg

[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Oops, oh well. I very much hope it's over, asshole.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 74 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Come on guys, his company is only worth $157 billion.

Of course he can't pay for content he needs for his automated bullshit machine. He's not made of money!

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

In the early 80s I used to have fantasies about having a foster ~~robot~~ android that my family was teaching how to be a person. Oh the amusing mix-ups we got into! We could just do that. Train on experiential reality instead of on the dim cultural reflection of reality.

Edit: "robot" means "slave"

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 90 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

That sounds like a you problem.

"Our business is so bad and barely viable that it can only survive if you allow us to be overtly unethical", great pitch guys.

I mean that's like arguing "our economy is based on slave plantations! If you abolish the practice, you'll destroy our nation!"

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[–] Daelsky@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 day ago

Where are the copyright lawsuits by Nintendo and Disney when you need them lol

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 8 points 1 day ago

No, actually they've just finally admitted that they can't improve them any further because there's not enough training data in existence to squeeze any more demonizing returns out of.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

Good.

Fuck Sam Altman's greed. Pay the fucking artists you're robbing.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So pirating full works suddenly is fair use, or what?

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I'll take him seriously if & when OpenAI lives up to its name.

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