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Trump’s Social Media Surveillance: Social Scoring by Another Name (www.techpolicy.press)
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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 hour ago

Holy shit!

What the fuck

It was bad enough when potential dates stalked you online.

Then it was shitty when bosses started doing it.

Then infuriating and decimating when potential employers started doing it.

And people were just ... Okay with it for some reason.

And now the ACTUAL GOVERNMENT is doing this?

No. Actually no. This is only going to get worse. Literally stop and think about this for one minute, this is actually terrible and we have to put a stop to it.

There's far too much stuff trying to control me and I'm fucking sick of it.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Were these politicians Made in China?

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 14 points 10 hours ago

He can suck all of the fucks.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 10 points 9 hours ago

Trump: To defeat jina, we must become jina.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 52 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Not saying that a lot of people get arrested for posting their crimes on facebook, instagram, etc but a lot of people get arrested for posting their crimes on facebook, instagram, etc.

I mean - don't use those things. Delete them. Now.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 25 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

And ideally don't commit crimes. But if you do, don't post about them on any social media, or anywhere for that matter.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 32 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The problem is when your previous posts are suddenly now crimes, and nobody cares about ex post facto any more.

[–] primemagnus@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 hours ago

Crimes are for the poor.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Agreed. And since Meta and Xitter are avowed fascism hubs, delete them anyway.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 9 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Sure. I deleted my Facebook >10 years ago, and I haven't missed it.

Just make sure to solve the real problem though. The police will still eventually find your posts even if you're using Lemmy or something else relatively niche. Just don't post crimes.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 points 55 minutes ago

Let's see what a "crime" is in two years.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Have you had any success connecting to old friends outside of mainstream social media? That's what I'm struggling with.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Our family group used to have a Signal chat until the older people in the family started having issues remembering their pins.

They were using MMS before, but the depth of privacy needed for them was mostly dinner plans, so when the Signal chat dried up, I didn't really care or push back on it. Whatever. I just told them that they'd get zero depth out of me beyond surface level information unless it was on Signal, but in the end our conversations never went deep enough to matter unless someone couldn't log into Jellyfin, and by that point, they'd ask in person.

[–] Palerider@feddit.uk 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I have a phone. They have a phone. I have their number. They have my number...

If they don't have my number there's a reason.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I think they’re talking about people you may have lost contact with. Where do you find anyone for a quick text? Facebook. What is the substitute platform for finding just about anyone?

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 hours ago

My social circle for texting is really small, but in the good old days of social media I kept in touch with a wider circle.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 13 hours ago

Sort of? Text and email mostly work.

Though I'm not the sentimental type and generally just make new friends. I've moved to a different state, so it's not like get-togethers are happening.

[–] gargolito@lemm.ee 31 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Terror groups like The Heritage Foundation, Proud Boys, Turning Point, those won't get you deported?

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

As if they care about hypocrasy. They actually enjoy being hypocrites because it "triggers the libs"

Trump is and always has been a spoiled child who's never been told "no" in his entire life, and he's going to continue to act like one.

[–] j0ester@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Those would get you always a pardon.

[–] Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world 46 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

As long as you call it Freedom Points or some other pandering bullshit the super patriots will cheer for it.

[–] AJ1@lemmy.ca 21 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

it really is as simple as attaching the word "freedom" to it, lol

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Freedom is slavery

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

Freedom, Free Doom.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

Better slap a "safety" on there to show the administration is thinking about children.

...thinking about children's safety. Yeah, that's the ticket.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 22 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

In March 2025, Secretary of State Marco Rubio launched an AI-fueled "Catch and Revoke" effort to cancel the visas of foreign nationals who appear to support Hamas or other designated terror groups. This program relies on the AI to scrape people’s social media to revoke visa applications of people who have been protesting Israel’s ongoing genocide in Gaza. As of early April 2025, at least 600 people have apparently had their visas revoked because of this AI monitoring, a massive incursion into people’s right to free speech, freedom of assembly, and the right to protest.

The speed with which social media monitoring is growing is staggering. As of March 2025, the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency (ICE) has been working with web-scraping contractor ShadowDragon to pull data from over 200 different sites, social networks, apps, and services across the web to map out a person’s activity, movements, and relationships.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 13 hours ago

If they can do this to people with fewer rights than citizens now, they will do it to anyone they can, at any stage, as much as they can get away with it.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 20 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Normies love doing big talks about shepooh and his regime doing social scores...

But when faced with the same thing domestically, he will tuck that dick and pretend like it ain't the same 🤡

[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 9 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

They already have credit score that you obtain by doing what they tell you to with your money.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 14 hours ago

Money changer will be paid his interest... Or you are not a "real" person

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

I know many of those words.

[–] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 16 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The magats will clap because this is what they want

[–] mspencer712@programming.dev 13 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

(Apologies to parent, this is something I’ve been itching to say, but the parent isn’t the problem I’m discussing.)

They will clap because it makes them feel good. It makes them feel good because they think we don’t respect them, that we celebrate their losses (in the Laslow’s Hierarchy sense, not the political sense) and that we don’t want to lift them up with us.

So yeah, we have differences. (Stay with me for a bit.) They think a foul in basketball is something you’re allowed to do a certain number of times and then you have to stop. We think a foul in basketball is something you Should Not Do.

Is the solution more hate for the people who got duped by Trump’s team? Yeah they got played. Yeah they have cognitive dissonance. Yeah they’re on Facebook too much, fed poison by an algorithm that optimizes for engagement (you know, happy, horny, angry, anything except writing letters or volunteering or registering to vote). That’s no reason to hate them.

Help them. Love them. Even if there’s no internet points in it for you. (Certainly none for me because I’m usually a crappy communicator.)

[–] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

A big reason to hate them is because they’re racist, hate filled shit bags. You are giving them too much benefit of the doubt. Any experience I’ve had where I try to help them in good faith has always been left with me realizing they were acting in bad faith only and know better, they just have the agenda of furthering white nationalism. So no, I will not give magats any quarter. It has nothing to do with internet points btw. This site doesn’t have karma to create some false hierarchy, who the fuck cares about upvotes and downvotes

[–] mspencer712@programming.dev 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

No I know you’re being genuine.

So this is going to sound really weird, because I think you’re talking about the experience of debating troll farm accounts - understandably really frustrating - but I’m talking about the people, the voters, the weird family members you can’t talk about politics with any longer. (I have some of those - they’re in rural Illinois while I’m in blue-dot Omaha, I love them very much, and I absolutely hate that we can’t talk politics any more.)

But I think you need to give them more sympathy. (The IRL humans, not the online trolls.) The worst of them grew up in a system where they only see minorities as risks, because (a) brains look for patterns, for free, factory firmware, and (b) they don’t realize evil people set things up long ago so that minorities had things on Hard Mode. And maybe (c) fighting against your factory defaults takes work and practice.

Like, because TLOU is back on TV I’ll share something uncomfortable. S01E03 was really uncomfortable for me to watch. I was a nerdy kid, teased for being gay in high school when I was not and am not gay. So I have some homophobia I haven’t gotten rid of yet. I’m trying. But I still look away whenever men kiss. My wife doesn’t love that part about me, but she still loves me.

Do you give up on me because my journey isn’t complete there? Am I to be hated because I look away, lumped in with the people who vote against gay rights? Clearly not. Mostly because I’m clearly making an effort.

Some people who voted for Trump don’t wear red hats. They were on the fence and they went one way and not the other. And I promise they’re not the people you’re tired of debating. They deserve your positive thoughts. Don’t let the troll farms steal those thoughts. Please.

[–] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 12 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

The people I’m referring to are family members and people who I thought was close to. The people I’m talking about are people like my mom. I don’t give a shit about strangers and wouldn’t base my experiences off those interactions

[–] mspencer712@programming.dev 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

That’s got to be a nightmare. I’m really sorry to hear that, and I appreciate you sharing.

I can’t think of any ways to rephrase that, that don’t sound empty or performative. You sent my thoughts towards my own parents. I’m sorry for your pain.

[–] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Thanks, I appreciate it and I do appreciate what you’re trying to say. I do believe that objectively you probably are more spot on and my experience is probably a bit wild subjectively and definitely not what a lot of people experience. It’s quite the duality to go through but I imagine it does cloud my judgement a bit towards others.

It’s also difficult for me to understand how people get brainwashed because I assume it just happens more with people with lower IQs. I’m saying this with as much modesty and self awareness as possible but it’s just difficult to ever put myself down on that level to understand how that stuff happens where so many people can get duped like that. That’s my own issue though and I could take more time and patience with some other people. Subjectively I’m just a bit fucked, hah. Apologies for being so combative about it and thanks for taking the time to make your points cos they are valid but I would say don’t underestimate cos some of them just have bad intentions and are shameless bastards.

[–] imrighthere@lemmy.ca 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

They will use your help to get themselves in a position to fuck you over. Again. How in the fuck have you not learned this yet ?

[–] mspencer712@programming.dev 4 points 14 hours ago

Which “They”? The voters or the politicians?

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Hey I really appreciate you and up voted your post.

However as I've come to understand it, fouls in basketball are very much used strategically by every team to stop the clock when they're behind. So unless the rules are changed, I would agree with the maga that some fouls can be done a few times. Because that's basketball, and not the future of our country.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 4 points 10 hours ago

Basketball is a bad analogy. Life is not a game played for points where the "loser" is the one with just one less point than the "winner."

I would lean in more on bankruptcy. Bankruptcy should not be used as a strategy in business: run 10 risky businesses and bankrupt 9 of them to stem your losses while getting lucky with the 10th. In one sense, your creditors are fools for continuing to deal with you after you have demonstrated a pattern of serial bankruptcy, but that doesn't stop the harm you are doing to all the creditors of your bankrupt business (like: unpaid employees, suppliers, etc.) who didn't get a whole lot of option to not do business with you, or opportunity to research your credibility before accepting your promises to pay.

Sociopaths would say: it's a clearly precedented legal maneuver, it's "smart business" to take advantage of bankruptcy laws, screw the creditors, they took a risk and it didn't work out for them. I would say that bankruptcy laws need to become more aggressive about protecting creditors from harm, especially when dealing with "fake people" corporations.

[–] mspencer712@programming.dev 7 points 13 hours ago

Thank you. I stole that from Philip (I think) in Off To Be the Wizard by Scott Meyer. He was describing that book’s antagonist but I’ve taken it to describe people who casually break rules to get ahead.

And I think that’s kind of what they’re doing, flooding social media with stories of how they broke rules in ways that make me go “foul! That’s a foul! Why is the ref doing nothing? This breaks my brain and I have no idea how to respond to this!”

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Centrists are all about holding hands with Nazis.

Fuck that, bash their heads in. You want to lessen their impact? Lessen their numbers.