I did wonder why they needed permission from the people forced to let him go in the first place
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This implies that the students are insured in some way and that the legal system of the wizard world recognizes the same legal guardians of the muggle world AND that wizardy insurance companies are okay with students learning dangerous spells that can result in serious injury without guardian's explicit permission, but does not approve of field trips to safe villages without explicit permission. Or that the crazy, racist, homophobic and transphobic J. k is also dumb.
The doom is not doomed.
In all seriousness, this is what happens when you write novels without doing any world-building and just put down whatever seems "fun". The are sooooo many things in that series that make no sense once they are superceded by later plot devices. Rowling didn't think any of it through ahead of time and gave almost no thought to internal consistency with previous content when she wrote new things.
It's honestly a terrible series in most regards and it's kind of disappointing how popular it became.
Also she a trans-hating bigot. Fuck J.K. Rowling. Can't forget that part whenever discussing her or her work.
Rule of cool supersedes making sense. Yeah there’s a ton of nonsense, but you called it yourself, it’s fun. That’s all that matters.
Fun and atmospheric. Kids love it and that's ok.
The issue I have with this line of reasoning is that there are equally whimsical, better written series that just didn't have good fortune to pop off the way HP did.
It's marketing. And cover art. And simple timing of fads. It sucks. And it funded a horrible person through pure happenstance
there are equally whimsical, better written series
Which ones can you recommend? I mean, my reading list is already too long but...
IMO there isn't a whole lot in the kids/young adult space but The Magicians by Lev Grossman is good (and one of the few cases where the TV show is better than the book)
Not books, but the Misfits and Magic TTRPG show from Dimension 20 is everything that HP isn't. It's fun and whimsical and the characters are lovable and the writing is great and the world building is astounding and it never misses a chance to take the piss at the many problematic aspects of HP it's satirically lampooning. I think the first episode is free on YouTube.
More than fun. It's whimsical.
She's a terrible person. I read the books to my kids but they are puarated so she doesn't get a penny. Same for the movies.
What happens when your kids want to buy merchandise from a store? When they get older and decide to spend their own money on DVDs? What about the racism and misogyny these books teach to children?
If the worst you have to worry about your kids' interests is whether they spend their allowance on things that somehow benefit an asshole person you are really very lucky.
When they are old enough to make their own decisions they can. I'm able to seperate the art from the artist, without introducing them to hateful commentary that they aren't able to properly process yet.
Not showing them Harry Potter does not mean they won't be exposed to the media or the merchandise through friends and shops.
Why not skip the books then? The movies were made by hundreds of awesome people while the books were written by just her. The movies cut out a lot of the controversial stuff too.
Because reading the books is a good educational experience for kids. I don’t allow them watch the movies until the books are read. Movies can miss nuance and have less information and world building. There is racism and bigotry and horrible things happening in life. I explain it to my kids at appropriate times.
When I first discussed the holocaust(very broadly), for example, they didn’t understand why someone would hate others for religion only, as religion is not important to us. Nor was it a good reason to not like someone from their understanding. They understand simpler concepts like absolute good and absolute evil. Goodies and baddies. More complex topics like themes in Harry Potter books being problematic is beyond their understanding completely.
Other books with good themes but problematic authors or themes include Enders Game, starship troopers, religious texts. Authors include Neil Gaiman, Sylvia Plath, Virginia Woolf, Dr Seuss, Enid blyton, Shakespeare, Stephanie Meyer, etc etc
That doesn’t make the books useless. Rhoal Dahl has problematic parts. Rhoal Dahl was also racist. That doesn’t mean we skip Charlie and the chocolate factory.
It would take a saint's patience to stop the book at every racist moment and explain why it's wrong.
My theory, the first three/four books were written well enough, but the movies carried the rest of the series. She came really close to game of thronesing it too, but apparently average fans didnt mind the dieing baby voldemort in an all white train station ending.
Books 5-7 were awful in my opinion. I hated Harry through the entire last book, which I can't imagine is intentional.
Book four was great. It was downhill from there as she couldn’t maintain the level. She also couldn’t keep it consistent. However, people were co paring it to literature. It’s kids books.
All true, though i still found it fun to read when the books came out. At that age my critical thinking skills were not as developed yet, and since that age group is the intended target audience the popularity is not that surprising.
Yes, I liked it too but I'm not under the false impression that's it's a genius work. It's a kids book that kids like and many adults enjoy too.
She's a hateful awful person. Many people are.
I mean, I totally get it. There is just better stuff out there and it sucks that she got lucky when otherr, better authors don't
Way back, years ago, and if memory serves...
There was short story about Harry Potter in a Disney Adventures magazine one month and I think that was supposed to be all there was as far as the story. The popularity of it may have had JKR rushing to build a more in depth story and throwing anything in it that seemed whimsical and fun to a kid, regardless if it made sense.
Im pretty sure its because they were trying to keep him on campus to keep him safe and used that as a bs excuse and he didn't realize it until later cause he's a kid. Idgaf about Harry Potter, haven't picked up a book in 20 years, but I remember this.
Spot on. Sirius Black escaped an inescapable prison for the sole purpose, it was widely believed, of murdering Harry. The permission slip was just a convenient excuse to keep Harry protected.
RE: idgaf, you're allowed, you know. You can love the art but dislike the artist. Or like the artist if you wish. I'm personally indifferent to Rowling but consider the Harry Potter series to be clever and highly entertaining. I find it much more engaging than The Silmarillion.
Also, people are too eager to cast judgement on each other, and too often forget that people have layers, like onions. Or a parfait. My dad was a Fox News, AM talk radio, Facebook propaganda cult follower whose politics were buggered beyond repair. He occasionally spouted racist or bigoted or otherwise insensitive bullshit. He was also a model father and husband, selfless, generous, kind, soft spoken, and loved by everyone who had ever met him. To know how eager much of the world would be to cancel him for his political beliefs breaks my heart, and I'm grateful he was horrible with technology, well-shielded from the summary judgement of social justice warriors.
Yes, as there was a killer on the loose, suspected to be super crazy and in the area. In which case, would it be safe for the other kids?
It's not logical whichever way you look at it.
It's because they thought Black was going for retribution on Harry so they probably figured that he was largely laser focused on him. Though he did blow up a bunch of folks in their eyes so that logic doesnt really hold water.
TLDR: Rowling dumb and doesn't even think things through within the same book.
Yes, but they also thought he was a crazy psychopath, on top of blowing people up. So, still not the kid friendly environment that would be suitable, if logic is used.
But they are kids books, so it's not a big deal. However, she's not a genius author. She struck it lucky. Like many, she thinks it's merit based, now that she's a billionaire. And she uses that big brain to trample on the rights of others. If she wasn't a billionaire, she'd be the crazy psychopath she wrote about (who in this case turned out to be a good guy in the books; she wouldn't ).
But as an extra layer, weren't Dumbledore and Co in on Sirius being framed? I thought it was low key known that Sirius "being a bad guy" was just Ministry propaganda or whatever.
His legal guardians do not consent to him even attending the school in the first place, to the extent where he needs to be broken out to attend every year. But no field trip.
He liked a pro trans meme once.
You'd think a woman who can literally transform into an animal would be pro-trans
She would have been if she wasn't written by a massive piece of shit.
looks like the magic world's lawyers were just as bad as their muggle counterparts, tbh.
way worse, in fact, when one reads about all the wizengamot proceedings.
The plot demanded a reason for him to stay behind.
You and your reasonable explanations! We came here to be mad about the author!