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[–] Aielman15@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Italy is a joke. Our politicians call us lazy, the rich go on TV crying because they can't find people willing to work for minimal (or below) wage, and then a young person manages to carve themselves a path outside of the 'norm', our state immediately shows up and curb stomps them.

I was talking with a colleague of mine the other day. They work two jobs to make a living. The state taxed them so much, they are paying more for the second job that they are gaining, basically working for free. Tax the poor, let the rich off the hook.

Fuck Italy.

[–] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Our politicians call us lazy, the rich go on TV crying because they can't find people willing to work for minimal (or below) wage

This sounds like Germany. I think it's the norm in many countries by now. We already entered late stage capitalism, at this point it will only become worse.

[–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Up to 20k per year you pay 23%, from 20k to 32k you pay 25% and from 32k to 50k per year you pay 35% income tax. If my research is correct, the main job emplayer keeps the tax. So the second employer should keep those 23% as well. As long as your colleague earns less than 50k from both of his jobs, he only has to pay 12% of the second job‘s yearly income as taxes out of his own pocket.

So mathematically it should not be possible to pay to be able to work.

Unless he’s "self employed“ but then he’s allowed that employer to fist him lubeless.

[–] Aielman15@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It's a bit of a complicated situation and I wouldn't go into much detail, but basically, they live in Italy, but one of their job is (work from home) in another country. They are taxed by the other country, then taxed by Italy as well.

After that, Italy fined them on some bullshit grounds and forced them to pay a ridiculous sum of money. Needless to say, they never attempted to skirt or evade taxes or anything. They worked their ass off and the country said "fuck you in particular" because Italy.

I specifically remember them telling me that, despite being half Italian, they wanted to live in Italy because they love the country and have friends and family here, but now they don't know what to do. It's heartbreaking seeing how our country treats its citizens, then our politicians going on TV and lamenting the fact that young people choose to go live elsewhere. Italy as a country doesn't see you as a citizen to protect, it just wants to squeeze you dry and leave you for dead.

[–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

They might Google some double taxation agreement between Italy and this other country. Usually, if there isn’t any, there should be a law to create a specific situation for them to avoid double taxation.

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

That really sucks, man. I fully empathize with getting fucked by a greedy government that protects the wealthy while abusing the working class. The world needs to unite against the elites destroying it.

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[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Seen this going around.

Is anyone familiar with the channel itself? Because based on the article, it sounds like mostly (presumably he) is getting made an example of for reviewing hardware that comes with ROMs on an SD Card? But... a LOT of these "retro consoles" do and outlets just ignore it in favor of their totally legit collection that they don't talk about.

Did OWN actually show what is on the SD Card and emphasize that these units came with it?

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

He uploaded an English dubbed explanation: youtube/zSEB4if2pJQ#.

He seems super unsavvy when it comes to legal/formal proceedings or authority in general (I don't mean that as a bad thing, we are all different, just that it can def affect how things go and escalate).
For one he got the notice in mid April & just continued to review (among other things?) such consoles this whole time (which makes me think now a trial is even more likely) & didn't prepare for anything (his channels, personal things, SD cards with all them ROMs, etc).
The panic & the whole 'why is this happening to me' anger makes more sense in view of this (not that is isn't warranted, from what I've seen it's def stupid anyone is doing anything about this guy in general).

But other shit-showy things happened too - they took his phone to make a copy & didn't return it for two months (it's unclear if they had a warrant for it or if he volunteered it - or indeed if Italian law recognises what a "personal device" is as EU has yet to compile a delegated act that will unify definitions & personal rights for such modern necessities for all members).
(~~If a cop takes my phone & doesn't promptly return it still locked I'm marring their mom & make them call me daddy before the trial starts. Then submit my phone in evidence with saucy newlywed pics.~~ I would be angy too if they took my phone, not to mention some poor data retrieval specialist getting a lifetime dose of ptsd.)

An Italian youtuber with some legal experience explains a bit more (in Italian): youtube./zSEB4if2pJQ#.

What I was thinking is that the complaint had to be specific, ie some lawyer (for a Japanese megacorp?) found an exact thing to complain about (eg in this exact second of this specific vid he admits this personal gain and shows that illegal thing, etc). Not just something vague.
They are looking at all his communication, finances, and content on his channels (but might be focusing only on one YT channel - this and the fact they mention an Anbernic device makes me think it's a very specific complaint).
I don't know that much about Italian law enforcement but I agree that is a bit sus they went after him at all - there might be more to the story that he either isn't saying or thinks (in your average "law ignorance" way) irrelevant but is very relevant. Idk.

[–] Killer_Tree@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Thank you for the additional context and links!

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fuck fascists. I can’t believe the literal Mussolini’s are making a comeback. Remember, the only good fascist is a dead fascist.

[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (12 children)

CIA killed all the leftists in Italy to keep Italy out of the USSR. Don’t forget that.

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[–] missingno@fedia.io 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm surprised they've gotten away with shipping preloaded SD cards for so long. That was a risk waiting to blow up in someone's face, though it obviously isn't fair to be going after some guy rather than the distributors.

[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

To be fair, they (anbernic at least) sidestep the obvious minefields. No Mario, Pokemon, etc. A bunch of really sketchy and somewhat janky MAME ROMs, and a bunch of NES and others, on my 35xxV and 406h.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Remember when Retro Game Corps almost had his youtube channel shut down by Nintendo for showing Nintendo footage on these handhelds?

Yeah.....he's probably thinking to himself "Welp. Time to retire."

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When I’m dictator, any country that does something like this will be carpet bombed.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

According to the video, officials are not required to disclose what exactly the charges are or who has brought them until the initial investigation is complete under Italian law. At that point, the case is either dismissed or goes to trial. The complaint specifically mentions reproduction of copyrighted material from Nintendo and Sony, but the case may originate from the agency itself.

So for now we don't actually know the charges or if the trial will procede, but yeah definitely not fair.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

Yeah, he only showed what the police gave him (they are investigating him for promoting copyright infringement).

[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

But Gamergate said that Fascist conservatives would be our friends? What? Did the Russian disinfo targets get manipulated again?

[–] vane@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

He could say that he is doing AI research and AI training and reviews are just part of his scientific documentation.

[–] absquatulate@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Aah, the Guardia di Finanza, the one police organ all italians actually respect and fear ( or so I hear ).

The charges don't make sense though. Maybe by reviewing "pirate" material he was indirectly bypassing paying the italian state its due and thus they jumped him?

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