"Well akshually they just hide it, the real suicide rate is way higher and they lie to look good. I know this because as a rando on the internet I have access to ultimate truth, and am not just reflexively defending my own learned biases in the face of contrary evidence."

Unfalsifiable orthodoxy. If the numbers were switched, and the socialist countries had the higher suicide rates, none of these liberals would be talking about "lies, damned lies, and statistics."

You’re not going to see a significant suicide rate, if the people who might kill themselves, are killed by something else first. Mostly looking at NK.

Or they just pretend that every Designated Bad Country is mad max. No matter what the actual data is, liberals will tell themselves a story about how it's actually evidence of the opposite. Believe science, until the science says they're wrong: then the science is lies because everybody knows Communism Bad. It's an unshakeable religious belief in the inferiority of other countries and systems. Blue MAGA indeed.

[–] Robin@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Reported* suicide rate

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you have evidence that it's greater or lesser in any of these states, then please, share. Otherwise, this is just a non-falsifiable claim.

[–] Robin@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No I do not have good data. But neither does OP.

There is no international standard on what should be counted as suicide
Even if there was, reporting quality would be very different between cultures and rural vs urban environments
I think statistics coming fron authoritarian regimes are not trustworthy (I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to categorize which states are authoritarian)

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago

This is more dodging the points raised than addressing them. You have proposed reasons for why the data may not be as accurate as possible, but that only prompts further investigation, not closing the book entirely. Further, all states are "authoritarian," and no state wants to report a high suicide rate, so that isn't a reasonable counter. Until the state withers away, it's better for workers to have control of that authority.

[–] folaht@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 months ago

It's even worse in South Korea and Taiwan?

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

yeonmi-park in bad country, they won't even let you kill yourself. Unlike freedom countries like Canada where doctors actively encourage it if you're poor

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You wrote this and later somebody said literally this completely unironically. And one other dude had even worse take.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

zizek-preference they are eating from the trash can

[–] Midnight1938@reddthat.com 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Is that percent of the population or per 1000?

This is how people generally lie with statistics

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 5 points 6 months ago

Every 100 000.

This is formatted to imply percentage, but for that the decimal points on these should be moved three digits over.

That 16.6 is 0.0166%.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz -1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Well yeah.

You're not going to see a significant suicide rate, if the people who might kill themselves, are killed by something else first. Mostly looking at NK.

As for China, their population is so large that almost any bad stat looks small. Zoom in on someplace like Hong Kong, and the stats go right back to concerning.

[–] umb_official@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hmm I wonder why Hong Kong specifically would have a concerning suicide rate

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Perhaps higher, because Hong Kong was under British imperialist control until recently, and was capitalist until recently, like Taiwan and South Korea are.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 months ago

The increase is recent, and still rising.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago

You’re not going to see a significant suicide rate, if the people who might kill themselves, are killed by something else first.

Unless you have evidence that such a hypothetical is actually occurring, why float it?

As for China, their population is so large that almost any bad stat looks small.

That’s not how per capita rates work.

[–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

But if per capita stat is small isn't it just a good thing in general? If you cut up the population groups into multiple population sized chunks with the compared countries, they each will still have a better number.

It's like we normalized stats PER CAPITA so population number don't really affect it!

[–] bathing_in_bismuth@sh.itjust.works -3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Its not suicide if you die from defacto slave labor to create cheap products. Since this strategy of state-subsidised factories, normally operating a massive net loss, being employed to undermine economies around the world in exchange for dependence on China, a workers suicide could be ruled a MIA since its economic warfare. Not suicide.

~ The Chinese government, probably

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago

The PRC has outlawed slave labor, and purchasing Power in 2022 was 25 times higher than 1978. It's time for you to turn off Fox News.

Further, China is "undermining" western, imperialist economies, but is actively engaged in multilateralism in the global south. They gain influence because their involvement actually develops the global south, rather than relying on an extractionary form of economy like the US and Europe do.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

Anything's possible when you make shit up

[–] Archer@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It’s funny when .ml actually encounters real people who downvote their bullshit

[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago

I'm just here to be apart of something.

Hi mom! I'm in the Lemmy struggle session thread of the week!!!

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

"Real people"