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E: apparently it needs to be said that I am not suggesting you switch to Linux on your phone today; just that development needs to accelerate. Please don't be one of the 34 people that replied to tell me Linux is not ready.

Android has always been a fairly open platform, especially if you were deliberate about getting it that way, but we've seen in recent months an extremely rapid devolution of the Android ecosystem:

  1. The closing of development of an increasing number of components in AOSP.
  2. Samsung, Xiaomi and OnePlus have removed the option of bootloader unlocking on all of their devices. I suspect Google is not far behind.
  3. Google implementing Play Integrity API and encouraging developers to implement it. Notably the EU's own identity verification wallet requires this, in stark contrast to their own laws and policies, despite the protest of hundreds on Github.
  4. And finally, the mandatory implementation of developer verification across Android systems. Yes, if you're running a 3rd-party OS like GOS you won't be directly affected by this, but it will impact 99.9% of devices, and I foresee many open source developers just opting out of developing apps for Android entirely as a result. We've already seen SyncThing simply discontinue development for this reason, citing issues with Google Play Store. They've also repeatedly denied updates for NextCloud with no explanation, only restoring it after mass outcry. And we've already seen Google targeting any software intended to circumvent ads, labeling them in the system as "dangerous" and "untrusted". This will most certainly carry into their new "verification" system.

Google once competed with Apple for customers. But in a world where Google walks away from the biggest antitrust trial since 1998 with yet another slap on the wrist, competition is dead, and Google is taking notes from Apple about what they can legally get away with.

Android as we know it is dead. And/or will be dead very soon. We need an open replacement.

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[–] dreaper@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

My solution? Giving up the smartphone. They are too fragile and are high maintenance. I've simply had enough. So, I went with a Sonim XP3Plus flip phone. Mainly because the screen on the Pixel 3, the phone I went through the trouble of putting a custom ROM on and setting up just right, broke somehow inside.

Yeah, the flip phone runs Android, but it comes as a scaled down version of Android (no Google crap, or extra apps, like any app store; just the basics), so I don't have to do any modding. And I just keep my plan cheap for unlimited calling with very little data (I keep the data off anyways, so I don't care).

Basically, I've gone old school to solve a modern problem (for music, I went with an old school MP3 player). And if people can't be bothered to pick up the phone, I move on. This is where I stand now. I've had enough.

I feel like I finally have peace again after 10 years of using the smart phone. Being disconnected while outside is great.

Best part? The flip phone can last about 2 weeks on a full charge.

PS: Being completely off Google; even YouTube? Feels amazing. I've turned to Odysee, Peertube and B-chute and use those with RSS feeds. No algorithms.

This is how I solved the modern tech problem.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 18 points 1 day ago (14 children)

I went with a Sonim XP3Plus flip phone

This is how I solved the modern tech problem.

You didn't solve any problems, you just opted out of a whole bunch of features.

[–] dreaper@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Features that I really didn't give a crap about in the end. Also, my point still stands; smartphones are way too fragile and high maintenance.

So, I did solve the problem; by choosing not to bother with it. For the sake of my sanity. It was the only sane choice to make, given how stupid (and exploitative) modern smartphones have become. All this has done is set people back, wasting more time for absolutely nothing. Rather than being present, people are walking down the street with a phone in their face. It's a sad future for society. Thankfully, I was born long before smartphones were a thing. So, I know how to live without one.

At least I can say this; I am not crying about why Google or Microsoft is doing "this" or "that" to me all the time in a constant cycle. That's no solution at all. Cutting out the problem was the solution.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 15 points 1 day ago (18 children)

I did solve the problem; by choosing not to bother with it

Walking away does not solve the problem. It just makes it no longer your problem. Everyone else still has to deal with it. Not everyone has that privilege.

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[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 83 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My next phone is definitely going to be a Linux phone. I don't care if it's ready. I'm ready.

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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

My next phone will be a Linux phone.

I was on board the Fairphone hype, and while I think they have a good message, I actually think Pine64 does exactly what they do - just without the flashy marketing. Fairphone still uses AOSP as the basis for their OSes, so there is still a risk of hardware lockout by Google. This is leaving alone other issues like no headphone jack and USB 2.0 for the latest generation's USB-C.

This is actually the same reason I think Ecosia won't succeed in the long term unless they build their own search engine. Luckily it looks like they've already started delivering results as of last month.

I should also mention that the PinePhone isn't Scott free from criticism either. Think I read somewhere that the camera is borked because the latest firmware or software update messed with the camera module functionality. No real fix for that soon, which sucks.

[–] dreaper@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Instead of waiting, you could just go to a flip phone as a temporary measure. It's a lot less on the mind. Believe me. And you may feel in the end, that you won't need a smartphone anymore.

[–] ChaosSpectre@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Realistically, i think this idea might work well in tandem with a sort of PDA built off a Pi. I use my phone as a computer, because its a computer. The parts of my phone that i need to be a phone are calls and text, as i dont take photos almost ever. Data is nice, but im fairly certain i had seen recently a sim module for Pi devices, so i can just bake it into that instead so i still have a mobile computer.

Someone will eventually make a better phone OS, but in the short term it seems smart to move to a dumb phone and offset everything else to a device tou can actually control.

[–] dreaper@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Someone will eventually make a better phone OS,

I'm not hoping on that; especially if big tech is involved in anything that becomes mainstream. The best option is just to avoid the mainstream.

but in the short term it seems smart to move to a dumb phone and offset everything else to a device tou can actually control.

That's the real point I am making. But people who put their entire life into their phone are incapable of this. And that's what's depressing about all of this. Because of addictive social media algorithms, people hinge their entire lives on their phone.

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[–] bobo@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I was on board the Fairphone hype, and while I think they have a good message, I actually think Pine64 does exactly what they do - just without the flashy marketing.

Exactly what they do, except it's not a functional product. "Overpriced, underpowered, and half-finished" is the motto of pine64.

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[–] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Would a pixel phone running GOS be future proofed, or one day Google can just push out some hidden updates that prevent you from running it at all?

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[–] y0kai@anarchist.nexus 129 points 1 day ago (45 children)

My next phone will run Linux, even if it is inconvenient.

As soon as this phone is paid off, I'll be changing from Google Fi as well. Which sucks because it's hella cheap.

[–] oaklandnative@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

Mint and US Mobile are both good alternatives to Fi. US Mobile is a bit more flexible since you can use any of the major US carriers.

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[–] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I have been wanting a Linux phone for ages but I can't afford a librem and pine seems to have stalled out. Just found out about Furi and now I'm wondering if it really is that good. It's still expensive but it at least doesn't look like it'd choke on running a calculator app.

[–] Aetherion@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

wow I didn't knew about FuriPhone

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[–] Hack3900@lemy.lol 25 points 1 day ago

Ubuntu Touch has a planned release for September 24th! Eager to see what devices have a full compatibility rating to know what I'll buy next

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 0 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

While I support the continued progress of real Linux phones, have a Pinephone, and even wasted all of yesterday trying to make a working build of Armbian for retro handheld I have; I think it's more practical to focus on open Android distributions, getting more phones out that can support multi os's and buying those, and growing a robust app market system that can compete with Google Play.

F-Droid is almost there, but being open-source doesn't mean something has to be free of charge. F-Droid should be extended, or possibly an additional app manager be established, that still promotes software freedom and privacy, but allows for devs to charge for their apps as well.

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[–] eskuero@lemmy.fromshado.ws 22 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I have a Pixel 9 Pro which is supposed to get security updates until 2031 but at the pace Google is closing Android down I wonder if it will even be viable to stay on an AOSP degoogled ROM until then.

I feel like the future is leading us to a place where we will have to reduce our mobile computing to a trusted but slow and unreliable main phone while keeping a secondary mainstream device for banking/government apps.

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[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 57 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (20 children)

Unfortunately there's a lot(!) to do to make Linux enjoyable on a phone. I bought a Pinephone some years ago. And in addition to the slow hardware, the entire software/desktop experience isn't great. While everyone else has instant messengers, Linux doesn't have connected standby and emails and messages just don't arrive unless the screen is on. It wastes quite some power, and there are a bazillion small little quirks and annoyances and it's barely usable if compared to a regular smartphone. I think someone needs to invest quite some more time and money until this becomes a thing. I mean don't get me wrong, Linux and the low-level system is awesome. And it's brilliant on any server/laptop/desktop computer. It's just that there's so many things missing for a proper phone experience. And it's not just mildly inconvenient, but like people expect instant messages to be delivered...

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[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Samsung, Xiaomi and OnePlus have removed the option of bootloader unlocking on all of their devices.

Got me worried (bc i have a newish oneplus phone) but apparently OnePlus is only doing that in China for now. Still not a good sign for the future...

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