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Before I say anything further, yes I know how much the recommended VPNs cost. I can read. Please do not interrogate me about it.

I've been wanting to get into torrenting for a while, particularly contributing to private trackers related to music (and to a lesser extent retro games, though I don't have much original stuff to put there as it's harder to find rare games than rare music). FMHY recommends RiseUp if I must get a free VPN while I'm working on my financial situation, though I'm not sure whether it's been tested in court. What are my options, if any?

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[–] theoneandonlyeggboi@lemmings.world 1 points 27 minutes ago

Here's a reliable, free VPN: https://riseup.net/en/vpn

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago
[–] horse@feddit.org 3 points 9 hours ago

If you can share the cost of a VPN with one or more other people (most allow multiple devices to connect at the same time), it'll be much cheaper. Or if you can't afford that either, try to find someone who will let you use theirs for free. Maybe you can even find someone who isn't tech savvy who will pay you a few bucks a month to cover the VPN in exchange for you downloading Linux ISOs for them.

[–] Rabbit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Mullvad is €5 a month for total of €60 for a year.

Save up then torrent. If you live in the US you risk way more in fines than what €60 for a year of VPN would cost.

[–] brainwashed@feddit.org 1 points 8 hours ago

You basically have 5 (?) devices there. Share the cost with 4 friends and it's 1 Euro a month.

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 1 points 8 hours ago

Honest question, why would you need a VPN if you want to download from private trackers?

Usually, copyright owners target people on public trackers and on the DHT. Not a problem if you only get into private trackers.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 5 points 13 hours ago

I would prioritize a VPN ahead of an ISP. Free Open/Public APs are not uncommon in my area.

[–] lIlIllIlIIIllIlIlII@lemmy.zip 3 points 17 hours ago

Use torrent over ipfs. Qbittorrent can do it.

[–] palarith@aussie.zone 4 points 20 hours ago

Its being a while for me but windscribe and seedr had totally usable free tiers

Find a friend in a less shit place you can proxy through.

[–] Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 day ago

I would suggest don't.

For downloading, look at DDL sites.

For uploading, if you can't do it safely, don't. Stash it all, make backups, keep it until you can do it safely.

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Tribler or i2p.

Edit: there are also non-bittorrent p2p networks out there like Retroshare, but I haven't used them, so don't know how useful they are.

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[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 55 points 1 day ago (1 children)

RiseUp is slow and intended for activists and the politically vulnerable. It's not for poor people who cannot afford a $5 a month VPN. You will be fucking over people with much more legitimate use cases than yours if you start using it for torrenting.

[–] ScratchySoft@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 23 hours ago

I see... Not sure what I'm supposed to do then.

[–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

I don't usually recommend this, but since you are in a situation where you really can't afford a VPN or a seedbox and live in a country where torrenting is prosecuted then I think that grants a free pass to abuse the tor network a bit and torrent over tor.

There are some guides online on now to route the traffic, note that it's very easy to leak traffic if you don't know what you're doing. Look for a good guide . I'm guessing the safest way to do it is by using Whonix.

If going that route avoid downloading big torrents if you can find smaller ones or try to search for direct downloads first.

And also, I don't usually say this, but, avoid seeding. Yes leeching is bad, but saturating tor is probably worse I think.

[–] hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 86 points 1 day ago

If you don’t have the money for a proper VPN provider, you definitely don’t have the money for a legal defense if it came to that. Save your money and only begin once you can afford reasonable protections.

[–] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 15 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I mean you can avoid all that. If you're just interested in music and retro games then just use soulseek and use the rom megathread. both of which are going to be either peer to peer or direct downloads. no torrenting.

Rom megathread (web search it) has quite literally everything. no need to search, no need to torrent, it's all right there. And soulseek with Nicotine+ just works like napster. sign up, be sure to share your music library, and then have at it.

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[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 46 points 1 day ago (5 children)

this is like asking how to safely hook up with strangers at the bar if you can't afford condoms to help protect you from STIs. if you can't afford a VPN, you can't afford to get disconnected by your ISP for three strikes, let alone afford a settlement because some copyright troll logged your IP as a downloader. just don't do it until you can properly put some safeguards in place.

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[–] stupid_asshole69@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I been using torrents since they became a good option a little over twenty years ago. I’ve torrented using public and all manner of private trackers both with and without vpn or tor.

I have received letters from various ISPs during those years. Here’s what it all boils down to:

What’s most important: turn off peer exchange and dht, turn on require encryption.

What’s also important: only use private trackers.

What’s less important, but good to have: use a vpn with port forwarding with your client bound to its interface. It doesn’t matter if you don’t bind the client to the vpn interface so make sure you do that.

E: just read through the comments on your native instance that don’t show up to me normally. There’s some old misinformation going around still. I’m not gonna argue or go into great detail but things like only leeching, only using foreign trackers or using someone else’s WiFi don’t do anything to help you avoid some kind of letter.

[–] ScratchySoft@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I definitely don't want to just leech. I use slsk right now and barely use it for downloading, just sharing rare music I find in local thrift stores and such.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 1 points 15 hours ago
[–] stupid_asshole69@hexbear.net 3 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Go test into one of the music trackers. It’s easy if you can follow instructions and retain information. If you end up feeling like the social expectations of a private tracker are tripping you up then spend a little time on the mya tracker to get used to it first.

If you’re making your own rips then being exposed to the information, toolsets and expectations of the private trackers will improve the quality of your output.

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[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 57 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Use someone else's wifi.

I used to park my car in a Home Depot parking lot when I went to work with a laptop torrenting until the battery died.

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 21 points 1 day ago

I lived above a Starbucks for a while, that was the best VPN I ever had!

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[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 day ago

If you use private trackers, a VPN is irrelevant. All you need to do is fully encrypt your traffic in your torrent client so your ISP can't see what you're doing. It's been working just fine for me for 15 years, and I've never gotten a letter.

[–] iloveDigit@piefed.social 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Borrowed WiFi is definitely your best bet. Find a place with a fast public WiFi network you can reach from your car.

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