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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml
 

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[–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 89 points 2 months ago (28 children)

You know that humans lived in communal societies for a long fuckin time before all the bullshit we know today, right?

Human nature is not greed. That's capitalism.

[–] Stitch0815@feddit.org 44 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Pretty sure humans have been bashing in each others heads over resources since the dawn of humanity.

Capitalism made it worse and more efficient tho.

[–] turdas@suppo.fi 55 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Half the problem with capitalism is that we aren't allowed to bash in the heads of the people who took all the resources.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 9 points 2 months ago (12 children)

Came here to say this, the problem is the system of government because everyone can be bought. We need direct democracy where there are no representatives that can be bought

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago (8 children)

The mode of production takes priority, capitalism with direct democracy would still fall to the same problems intrinsic to capitalism.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's basically true, but I think capitalism would overthrow direct democracy.

People would vote for higher wages and then there'd be a coup.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

Sure, the base will shape the superstructure. Any levers that can be pulled within capitalism will either be destroyed or nerfed if proven too effective at gaining what workers want.

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah of course, this meme is meant to be making fun of the idea that "human nature" (whatever that may be lol) in any way disproves communist or anticapitalist theory

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[–] myszka@lemmy.ml 74 points 2 months ago

Human nature on its deathbed when it realizes it forgot to account for Karl Marx

[–] Mambert@beehaw.org 66 points 2 months ago (16 children)

Observing humans in capitalism and assuming greed is just human nature is like observing humans on the Titanic and assuming drowning is human nature.

[–] myszka@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It's just rejecting your responsibility in the way you behave. "It's not me, it's the nature"

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[–] hedge_lord@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago (4 children)

It's in Human Nature to be violent, which I why I've made sure to arm my kindergarten class with knives. Because otherwise I would not be accounting for Human Nature.

(note: this is sarcastic, I did not arm a kindergarten class with knives)

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

you armed them with knives in a gun fight?!

[–] Rudee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They're doing the best they can with a teacher's salary

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

it bet we'll get gun equity before we get healthcare, childcare, or educational equity. lol

[–] Darkenfolk@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago

(However I did give them hard plastic clubs shaped in the form of shovels)

[–] webp@mander.xyz 6 points 2 months ago

Oh, you are being sarcastic? Wouldn't have guessed

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[–] kwomp2@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Welcome to todays episode of criticizing things you haven't read:

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago

and won't read. lol

[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So you're saying he forgot to account for the human nature of judging things you haven't seen/read/experienced?

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[–] redti@lemmy.zip 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Marx didn't forgot such thing he refuted it. No such thing as " human nature "

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[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Even if you assume human nature is greed, it's also human nature to have their babies eaten by wolves but I don't see anyone suggesting we should center our society on baby tossin' wolf pits.

[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well that's WHERE youre wrong buddy. Wolf pits are the Last GREAT thang ABOUT this cuntry and I won't HAVE no liburels Taking them!

Edit: capitalized more words.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Killing people who don't worship the same Gods as you, taking slaves from the neighboring city state, and having a harem of ~~sex slaves~~ "wives" are all "human nature" that have all been done since before we had the technology to record them all the way up to today. Should those be tolerated in modern society too? Hell no.

[–] saimen@feddit.org 4 points 2 months ago

Dying from infections, cancer, accidents etc is also human nature.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Liberal doomerism based on imaginary restrictions, how new.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 months ago (21 children)

it's not just imaginary, humans thrived of mutual cooperation for tens of thousands of years while capitalism has only existed for a few hundred, but somehow that it's became the default position of everyone.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes. I am pointing that out. That is the imaginary thing.

"Somehow," looks behind us at five centuries of European settler-colonialism.

"Everyone," looks ahead at the millions of people who defy hegemonically enforced constructions of human nature despite the overwhelming power those systems possess.

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[–] foggianism@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

Capitalism doesn't work, and it's for the same reason.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It used to be human nature. Nowadays it's nothing more than social engineering that teaches us what is up is down and what isn't, is.

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[–] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (23 children)
[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 months ago

Common refrain from capitalism fans is that communism can never work because humans are inherently selfish/greedy as proven by their observation that humans are selfish and greedy in the system that rewards selfishness and greed.

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