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On the one hand not fond of the CCP, and this is a step toward making Taiwan more "safely" invadeable.
On the other hand not fond of the United States throwing its weight around like it's in charge of the world and not fond of monopolies in general.
So hard to settle on a reaction for this.
of the United States throwing its weight around like it’s in charge of the world
After telling everyone they're not the police of the world
Wait no, I saw the documentary about a Team from America being the World Police!
Detach from the geopolitics - another way to make memory has been announced at a time when much of the technology and product has been tied up by massive global investments. This could help ease the current memory drought. Will it still be around after the AI bubble pops? This fabrication process could be like fracking - an expense only justified by the current high cost of supply. Is it worth investing in if the bubble pops and kills any gains, evaporating the money sunk into it? Does China and the 1% want to take the risk that this new fab process works and scales? That's the real stakes.
Its memory we are talking about, literally everyone in the world already uses it. Its not like crypto or other tech that might become obsolete any time soon.
The profit margins might shrink but there will be emough uses for it for sure. Think of personal clouds, archives, maybe cheaper gpus etc etc.
Maybe we will discover/implement algorithms that exploit memory trade offs once it becomes cheap.
Yeah, this is the correct take, I feel.
The RoC doesn't make much RAM, to my knowledge. It's the RoK that does that. Samsung, Micron, and SK Hynix all have their own fabs.
Ah, good, that makes this less of a dilemma then.
Yeah, this is a bit of a dilemma, to be sure.
Despite some seeing my doubts as anti China, I am more feeling cautious as there has been a history of over promising and under delivering. I hope this changes as the world really does need a serious competitor as the USA is in a capitalist death spiral at the moment and it would be nice to have other options. I hope Europe too can step it up too as it will suck if we end up in a situation where China or any single nation is once again the sole provider of anything required for the modern age. Competition is healthy or we end up with too much power on one place and that never ends well even for those with the power.
The whole world and all companies are overpromising as it is not punished. Steam though not promising and delivering
HL3 when?
Very much agreed. We have left reality where the product is the value and into the marketing is the value.
Might be surprising for USA's self- centric nationalists, yet, unsurprising considering china has become the rising tech power since about 10 years now.
The US hasn't been competitive in RAM (edit: manufacturing, though there is one plant in Virginia) in something like 40 years. The PRC is working on catching up to the RoK. I hope they manage to export good RAM soon, because the Korean companies are ~~all~~ both cutting back on ~~production~~ (edit: expansion) to increase prices.
Also, the lone American company in the mix, which still manufactures most of its supply abroad, just killed off its consumer division entirely to focus on selling RAM to datacenters.
Micron is American and is competitive, especially in some verticals.
Huh?
Micron is one of the big three DRAM producers.
And the South Koreans aren't lowering production, unless you mean DRAM specifically in favour of HBM for the datacentre/AI market (which is what they are doing), that would be crazy given the level of demand, it'd just let competitors take the market. Samsung and SK Hynix are expanding fabs, but they're not expected to be operational until 2027.
Blatant misinformation being upvoted lol
Edited to fix some mistakes, thanks for the corrections.
unless you mean DRAM specifically in favour of HBM for the datacentre/AI market (which is what they are doing)
Looks like it's the opposite:
Awesome. As an American consumer, China is doing far more for me than the corrupt USA.
Exploitative sweatshop labour pays dividends for us westerners, doesn't it?
Lmao when china does it, its sweatshop labour and when western companies pay their labour pennies its the fault of the workers for being lazy.
I get the feeling if this was a us company, people like you would have been chanting this as a success of capitalism that will increase competition and decrease prices.
Better than a million feral humans sent back to live as animals in urban nature and corrupt wage slavery for pirate banker commodity housing, not to mention the Flock-You surveillance state that is stealing citizenship and democracy right now. When Citizen is functionally equivalent to Slave, China looks far better. "You will own nothing and be happy about it." -because slaves that speak up find themselves dead. I'll take a sweatshop over this corruption any day.
Nearly everything you mentioned there could be said about China as well though. So, how? In what way does it make China look better? Serious question. And not a defense of the west out the US.
There is a general perception now with many in the US and even more among the US's partners that the US government is now actively regressive, making life more difficult for most of its citizens and partners, and indeed the world. China, despite its shortcomings, is mostly seen as making progress at raising living standards, moving more towards being environmentally responsible, and as a stable and predictable partner.
Whatever the complicated on the ground realities, these are some of the ways that make China currently seem to look better too many. Since you ask.
In tank space sure. But not in any non-hypocrical space. Again everything you implied about China could be said about the US.
However, it was industrialization brought up living standards. Not any particular party or ideology. In every different government and economic system industrialization has been pushed, it has benefited the population. And industrialization doesn't make up for the oppression and abuses that said parties or ideologies commit while industrializing.
The fact that industrialization raised the standard of living in the US doesn't justify their theft of my ancestors land or culture. Or the enslavement of blacks. It certainly doesn't excuse or justify China's oppression or cultural erasure of the uhygers. Tibetans or Hong Kongers as well. If you think it does or deny their abuse you're just a hypocrite. 🤷
If industrialization raises up a population, financialization plunges them.
Corporations in the US are seeing the highest profits they've ever seen in history. Wage theft has never been worse. Income disparity is widening more and more every year without any prospect of redistribution in sight.
Corporations in China, however, are folded into the state as soon as they get too large. Corporate profits are collected by the state and redistributed to the population. China has many more protections to prevent it from choosing greed and sacrificing the working people than the US.
I want what's happening in China to happen to us in America.
If industrialization raises up a population, financialization plunges them.
Exactly, that's why China's economy is slowing.
Corporations in the US are seeing the highest profits they've ever seen in history. Wage theft has never been worse. Income disparity is widening more and more every year without any prospect of redistribution in sight.
Definitely, similar is happening in China as well. It's why larger chunks of their youth aren't participating and feel they have no place.
Corporations in China, however, are folded into the state as soon as they get too large. Corporate profits are collected by the state and redistributed to the population. China has many more protections to prevent it from choosing greed and sacrificing the working people than the US.
Which is largely meaningless as they exploit workers as hard or harder.
I want what's happening in China to happen to us in America.
It did and is. The good bits happened over 60 years ago in the US. But we're rapidly approaching the lack of press freedom and social surveillance China pioneered. Even as they're approaching our inequality.
Homeownership rate in China are 150% of homeownership rate in the US.
China has been doing more for you and I as American consumers than the USA for the past like 60 years. China is the manufacturing superpower of the world.
greetings from Kansas province
I'll believe it when I see it. Lots of news of supposed breakthroughs in China all the time but hardly any of it actually leads to anything concrete so far.
deepseek? their EV cars that are ahead of whatever Americans are making?
The 90s have called. They want their take on China back.
Big if true, but unlikely to be true.
That building looks kinda like a stick of ram from the front.
Probably cost as much as a stick of RAM to build
Not on Alibaba today. Even if they need to bin many at slower speed, it could help with memory market. Needs actual production instead of press releases.
The biggest obstacles to China's successful future, the CCP and PLA. If Taipei took over Peking, then watch out.
LoL. 80% of literally all poverty alleviation in the entire world over the last 70 years was done by the CPC. The CPC 5-year planning process led to the establishment of Chinese university dominance in at least 36 of the tracked 48 high tech fields in the world and it's not even close - in some high tech fields China holds all of the top 10 spots. The CPC presided over literally the largest and fastest industrialization process the world has ever seen.
