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cross-posted from: https://discuss.online/post/34575435

It is kinda nuts that the alleged warnings of the past were just priming us into thinking it is all ok for them to do.

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[–] Armand1@lemmy.world 1 points 3 minutes ago

Has anyone here actually read the article? As far as I can tell, facial recognition is being increased in availability, but it was already in use.

Every police force in the country will be able to use live facial recognition vans, with the number of vans set to rise from ten to 50.

It's also worth noting that in the UK for a very long time now any data that is not E2EE can be seized by the government from companies without the consent of their users if a warrant is issued. That's obviously bad but nothing new.

It sounds like what's actually new here is that the police is becoming more centralised and organised. Instead of a lot of smaller departments in local areas with lack of expertise, more centralised organisations will do the policing.

The article covers some pros and cons from different people's perspectives.

  • There might end up being more policing in cities and less in rural areas.
  • There might be some downsizing of policies forces
  • Police forces may be less accountable as they grow.
  • Police forces believe they will be better equipped to tackle cybercrime.

Overall, to me, this seems like a generally negative move. I don't want the police to spy on people, and I want them to be more knowledgeable about their local area and more accountable to their people. It does look like there might be more surveillance, and that's bad too.

Please read don't take headlines for granted.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 minutes ago* (last edited 13 minutes ago)

1984 was not an instruction manual.

I hate how plausible that book is.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago

Wow, the UK is speed running after the US, only less clowny

At least in the US there are finally some protests. When is the UK going to stand up for their rights?

[–] switcheroo@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago

Protest this, guys. You know exactly where this sort of shit is headed...

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

"reforms" is supposed to imply improvement, not deterioration

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 1 points 3 hours ago

Reform just ultimately means change. Meaning they can get rid of those pesky things like privacy and search warrants and right to silence. If the AI says you are guilty then you are. No appeals. If it turns out later that you aren't then you still must serve your sentence but we will correct the problem only if it impacts the provider's bottom line.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Don’t do it. Do you see what’s going on in the US right now? All it takes is one bad regime coming to power to abuse the hell out of these kinds of tools.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 5 points 4 hours ago

That's the idea, I am afraid.

[–] ReverendIrreverence@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

"Facial recognition" and "major police reforms" should not be able to be used in the same sentence

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Nation-wide iiiin the UK, I assume, going by the URL. Important to include which country, I feel.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 2 points 3 hours ago

Yes. I apologize. I should have mentioned it.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 23 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Brits need to wake up to the fascism in their country, it’s much more quieter than the US but no better.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 10 points 7 hours ago

I remember hearing about how Britain had so many cameras that it was a privacy nightmare as early as 2000 or 2001. The more time passes and the worse it gets and when Snowden even revealed that the UK government was trying to build a master database of all UK citizens internet activity as early as the mid 2000s it became EXTREMELY evident to me where and how Orwell got his ideas for 1984. While it might have seemed unthinkable to many, the ideas that would lead to that kind of surveillance is a lot older than many people think.

And the reason why they didn't do it earlier is because... well, how do you do it at a time when recording equipment was costly to setup and extremely obvious AND posed no obvious benefit to the person it was being targeted at. Things like wire tapping phones has been possible since the earliest days of telephones (wire tapping became a known police/spy technique as early as 1928 in Olmstead v. United States), but in practice wiretapping all phones at the time was impossible. You couldn't record all calls and those calls had to be listened to by a human. It was not possible. But today it is absolutely possible to do all that and more.

At least smart phones and the internet are both extremely useful and highly critical things. Having a camera in your home that doesn't let you use it does not... but you can also use your ring camera that you set up in your home.

[–] Unquote0270@programming.dev 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The problem is there is more than one branch of it happening at once. We have this stuff but we also have the far right politics which is much more blatant. What most of those morons don't understand is that their movement is driving the justification for these overbearing technology changes yet are the first ones to cry about it.

This is the same problem that we had in the US. Neoliberalism will always lead to fascism since it breeds the economic hardship that causes fascism or revolt, and the powerful are able to tilt the scale away from revolt towards fascism, which is their preference.

The solution is to take over the more left party by any means necessary since the UK, much like the US, has a FPTP voting system. In the US, the Democrats were consistently able to rig their primaries against the more leftist candidates through a multi-level strategy. Don't let that happen over there.

Trump is a symptom of a greater problem in the US.

[–] SculptusPoe@lemmy.world 34 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Good gravy. 1984 wasn't a guidebook.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 4 points 6 hours ago

But it was. George Orwell knew what they wanted and how they thought.

[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 50 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Absolutely disgusting. It's like Labour wants to make sure they lose the next election... But to who would they lose? The conservatives who like this stuff too?

England is off my list to visit, as a Canadian, I take pride in the fact that facial recognition is illegal in most instances *here.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Get out the ICP face paint!

[–] GiantChickDicks@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Drag makeup can also be effective!

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 1 points 15 minutes ago
[–] U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 11 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

10 years ago i would have never believed UK would have their own Schutzstaffel, and that it would be AI

today i'm not surprised by literally any shitty thing that happens

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 13 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I hate to say it, but I remember around 2000 the UK being called the most surveilled country in Europe due to massive numbers of cameras. I thought it was bad back then, but I had no idea how much worse it would be.

[–] Small_Quasar@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

"nationwide"

"England and Wales"

[–] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Plastic surgery will have a surge in popularity

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 1 points 6 hours ago

They will account for that.