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AI = Asians Inside

AI =Actually Indians

I think the interventions here are more like: "that's a trash can someone pushed onto the road - let me help you around it" rather than: "let me drive you all the way to your destination."

It's usually not the genuinely hard stuff that stumps AI drivers - it's the really stupid, obvious things it simply never encountered in its training data before.

This used to be my job. They're not controlling the cars. They're basically completing real-time CAPTCHAs, telling the car whether the cameras see a stop sign, a bicycle, temporary barriers, etc. If the car can't identify an object that could possibly cross its path, it pulls over and stops until an operator can do a sanity-check on whatever the car's confused by. They only need to be able to identify objects on the road, not know the rules of the road.

Can you imagine the lawsuits?

any failures in autonomy immediately engage a tele-operator

One of the problems is that these "failures in autonomy" could include a failure to engage a tele-operator when one is needed.

I work near downtown Austin, where both Waymo and Robotaxi operate.

Waymo cars are some of the best drivers on the road because they actuallyt ested their product, use multiple Lidar sensors instead of just cameras, and have remote driver backups for unusual situations.

Teslas drive like maniacs and will end a ride and tell the driver to get out in the middle of a lane.

I’ve ridden in a few Waymo’s before, in SF they can be more dependable or easier to get than other ride options. I never felt like I was ever in danger in one.

Within my handful of experiences with them I’ve never had to use the help button or features to request assistance from a tele-operator but it was clear that they weren’t trying to hide the function from the passengers as the feature was explained and clearly labeled.

A friend who uses them often told me of the one time he needed to ask for assistance when their Waymo was stuck behind a doordash scooter with its hazard lights on that was either delivering or picking up and blocking a turn lane in downtown SF. The Waymo didn’t know what to do to get around it, my friend hit the button for assistance, a voice came over the speakers asking how they could help, my friend explained the situation and the tele-operator drove the car to safely navigate the situation. He said it was probably 1.5-2mins of tota inconvenience with 75% of that time was him wondering if he should hit the help button or not.

I understand a lot of AI implementation, such as Amazon Fresh or other business models have been hiding offshored human assistance within their “AI” features, which I do agree with you is deceitful but my experience with Waymo was not that. They did not hide or obfuscate that function and feature of the service but actively informed the passenger of its existence.

Granted, I haven’t ridden in one for almost a year at this point and I only did so in the SF market so things may have changed since or are different elsewhere.

Also, I can’t say that I follow the news intently about Waymo, I know they have run over a couple cats but I hadn’t heard anything about them killing people. Has that happened?

It's a mega corpo. Laws don't apply to them silly you.

Well, automation under our current system, yes.

Waymo really seems to be winning out over Tesla with the self-driving thing. I wonder how much of that is really just because Waymo cars have a remote human driving them in situations where a Tesla would just crap out

It's all mechanical Turks

Each worker has a readme now, it's alright /s

being "undocumented" or "illegal" is a local bedtime story. It doesn't apply to people everywhere

They're running red team hacking scenarios, an extremely standard, common, and good practice in the cybersecurity industry. Any device, especially one connected to the internet, is at risk of being hacked - it would be naive to assume otherwise, so they're hiring professionals to penetrate their security before someone else does. This is actually a sign they're taking security seriously.

Also, from the article: "they do not remotely drive the vehicles".

If it's connected to internet it can be hacked.