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Ive thought about torrents but they require a paid vpn from what i know? I dont really want to pay, which is why im thinking about piracy because im not made of money and cant afford a vpn. Im just not sure if its possible to be safe and sail the seven seas all for free?

What would you advise i do? what did you do when starting out?

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[–] noisypine@infosec.pub 2 points 4 hours ago

Check out Tribler. Its based on similar tech as the Tor network and allows for anonymous downloads and uploads. IRC is still a pretty decent option too, if a bit of work.

[–] lemming@anarchist.nexus 22 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Seems like a lot of people replying need to work on their reading comprehension...

Use private trackers only. Public trackers are way easier to identify you on.
Disable DHT, PeX and Local Peer Discovery in your BitTorrent client. This will prevent you connecting to random public peers.
If you're just interested in movies/TV I recommend streaming sites with an adblocker. Just so much easier and safe enough. Find sites on fmhy.net

[–] cbd@hexbear.net 7 points 7 hours ago

direct downloads and JDownloader2, but your mileage will vary with availability

[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

fmhy has a beginners guide, there's lots of options that don't require torrenting

for torrenting specifically, I've been using cloudflare's vpn (1.1.1.1) without issues, though it requires a bit of setup with wireguard

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 41 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Well first off, torrenting doesn't "require" a VPN, you may want to look up your area etc... in most of the united states, basically if you torrent without a VPN, there's a chance that your ISP will detect it and typically they will send you a letter saying "we know you downloaded _____ illegally, if we catch you again, we will cancel your service".

which depending on what you are going for (like say new releases and big name targets are what they will be watching for the most)... that could take years to even happen.

Now as far as safe, and lower risk... you could always look up pirating on the IRC... it's not the most user friendly route out there, but that's kind of the point, it's ancient technology and for the most part no one bothers to monitor it.

and then of course there's just tons of bootleg streaming sites. bottom line anything that's not peer 2 peer, is pretty much impossible for ISPs to identify what you are doing on... and thus are pretty safe.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

There is also Usenet, access is cheap but not free.

[–] datavoid@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago

Substantially more pricey than a vpn

[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

You could use a free VPN like Proton if you're worried about getting caught. You can also use DNS over https to hide what sites you're visiting from being visible, and you might not even need a VPN depending on your area, as others have mentioned. I've pirated so much stuff for years and never gotten any angry letters.

[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 4 points 5 hours ago

You could use a free VPN like Proton if you’re worried about getting caught.

Proton's free plan does not support P2P.

[–] ivn@jlai.lu 4 points 6 hours ago

In most country you don't risk anything by just visiting the site. But just so you know, while DoH or DoT are very good things for privacy, it's not enough to prevent your ISP form seeing the site you visit. They can still see the SNI unless the site has setup ECH but it's very rare.

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 19 points 12 hours ago (2 children)
[–] jaschop@awful.systems 11 points 10 hours ago

qBitTorrent in I2P only mode is free and safe.

It's slow and limited selection, but there's good stuff.

[–] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 2 points 11 hours ago

last i tried the trackers were dogwater. Waste of time unless you're looking for 3yo items.

[–] emotional_soup_88@programming.dev 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

What I did, what I do and why I do it

At the beginning of the 2000's, piracy either wasn't as prevalent as it is today or it wasn't as persecuted, or a combination thereof. Which is to say, I started with DC++, Kazaa and direct downloads. No security or privacy measures. This is also when I proudly downloaded the first Pokémon movie Pokémon: The First Movie (1998), sat down with my parents to watch it and then immediately having to explain to them why Pokémon are having sex. Suffice it to say, it was some Pokémon themed hentai.

As my understanding of computers, networking and capitalism evolved - this being around the early 2010's - and especially as I had learned about the improved, albeit not perfect, anonymity of torrenting in a society with otherwise increasingly oppressive demeanor towards online integrity and piracy -, I decided to only pirate using torrent clients thenceforth. I also took a brief pause from piracy for about six years, as I moved to a jurisdiction whose laws and attitude towards privacy were not known to me. I was doing my Master's degree and thus couldn't spare the time and effort it would've taken to safely engage in piracy.

As we arrive to present day - present time (any fans here?) -, nation states' attitude towards piracy - or, rather the lobbyists' relentless pursuit to reap legal fees - but really just the overall cyber climate with all the data brokers indiscriminately collecting, profiling and selling our data to the highest bidder, I simply don't dare to be on the clearnet/internet without using a VPN, an adblocker and DNS/hosts file based filtering anymore. I would argue that the risks to the integrity of the individual is great enough to warrant these countermeasures regardless of jurisdiction, but I digress. Sure, if your jurisdiction does not criminalize piracy, be my guest, torrent without a VPN.

My current setup

A few notes on Mullvad:

  • I am using Mullvad VPN on a router so that all my traffic is encrypted, but their desktop app is also good - better in regards to customizability -, just make sure to bind your torrent client to the network interface created by the VPN app.
  • You cannot make applications reachable from the internet (aka forward ports) with Mullvad, which would still enable you to download, but it would make you a passive seeder, only reachable by peers that do have port forwarding enabled. (Note: a great majority of the bigger seeders/public seeding groups use so called seeding boxes whose ports are forwarded and I seed in average 8TBs per month with steady share ratios of around 8.0, so don't let this discourage you, unless maximizing your seeding contributions is what is most important to you.)

Paying nothing

As others have already pointed out, double check what laws apply in your specific jurisdiction before pirating unprotected. I haven't tried it myself, except for running two of their routers to contribute bandwidth, but file sharing in the closed network i2p is supposedly popular. However, I can neither confirm nor deny this and it is a somewhat more technical approach. All your traffic is encrypted many times over and what you do inside i2p is not visible from the clearnet. https://geti2p.net/en/

[–] zer0squar3d@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago

Rotf. I ALWAYS play the videos before and skip around a bit to make sure it is what it should before i show the fam. Did you atleast watch it with them after you explained the pidgys and the beedrills to them?

[–] WagnasT@piefed.world 3 points 8 hours ago

yarrlist has a list of servers that are like the old fmovies, some are worse than others so use an adblocker.

[–] hesh@quokk.au 15 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Unfortunately any unencrypted file sharing, or really any unencrypted internet usage at all, carries some risk of ISPs or governments snooping on what you are doing. BitTorrent is just particularly notable because of its history and that by the nature of the protocol, you are uploading (seeding) in addition to downloading.

A good VPN is a few bucks a month and provides a lot of other benefits. It's worth considering.

[–] teft@piefed.social 16 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Find someone in your circle of friends who can give you an invite to a private tracker or use usenet. Also vpns arent necessarily “required”. It will depend on your area and your download setup.

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago

There are communities for gaining entry into these, I don't know what they are off the top of my head but they exist and I've successfully used them

[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

usenet

Doesn't that require a minimum of two paid services?

[–] teft@piefed.social 3 points 11 hours ago

Depends on your location, your isp, and how patient you can be. There are free providers and indexers.

[–] pedroapero@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago

You can also find private torrent sites with temporary open registration on opentrackers (mostly new ones but not only). There you can find invite forums (so mind your stats).

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

You can pirate over IRC XCDD. Without VPN the IRC server, other people on the server as well as the servers you are downloading from know your IP but it's significantly less exposure than torrents since you aren't seeding anything.

[–] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Mullvad will coat you 5 bucks a year. If you don't pay for it, you're the product.

[–] Scrato@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 10 hours ago

A month.. but still valid tho. You can even send them a letter with cash in it and they'll charge your account

[–] kugmo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

yt-dlp and a streaming site

[–] Lag@piefed.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I use this one so I don't have to keep track of sites that go down:

https://www.bestfreestreaming.org/

[–] Prodigal1506@aussie.zone 1 points 44 minutes ago

Better to use fmhy, gives backup websites as well.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 hours ago

where I live last I checked even if an IP holder sends you a cease and desist or other letter you can just ingore it and they can pound sand. If its worse for your country you kinda need the vpn.

[–] StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 10 hours ago

What would you advise i do?

If you can afford to and if what you are looking for is even available (for non-DRM'd download) through legal channels, I advise purchasing the content legally. (Yes, I know what community I'm commenting in.. :D ) Doing so supports the artists that make the content.

Otherwise, I would check and see if what you are looking for is on Youtube or in Anna's Archive. You can download things from Youtube using either yt-dlp (give it a Youtube link) or spotdl (give it a Spotify link and it will download the song, album or playlist from Youtube and tag the songs using Spotify or Musicbrainz metadata). The current addresses to Anna's Archive can be found on their Wikipedia page.

I also like Usenet, currently, for a lot of the more esoteric, hard to find elsewhere things (like TV shows that don't have DVD releases and aren't on Youtube). Just a heads up if you go this route, the Usenet provider "Eternal September", while free, does not provide access to the groups where binaries (things like video, music, epubs, and pdfs) are posted. They only provide access to the discussion side of Usenet, which has been largely dead for the last 10-15 years. Generally, Usenet access is fairly cheap, as are the nzb trackers needed to download binaries from Usenet.

Torrents don't require a VPN, however, torrenting does broadcast your IP address for all the world to see if they decide to look. A VPN is used to obfuscate your IP address to minimize the odds of trouble with your ISP, the rightholders (who might sue) or depending on where your are, law enforcement. Just don't ever use the "free" VPNs that are out there. They tend to be honeypots or malware vectors.

People not seeding things has made bittorrent pretty much useless for anything not currently popular. The only thing I use bittorrent for nowadays is speeding up the download of larger downloads, like Linux install disks. Works well for that. But if there's not at least 15 seeders for the file your looking for, you may never actually be able to finish downloading the thing.

what did you do when starting out?

I'm getting to be an old fart. I was using Napster (early predecessor to bittorrent, now long dead), IRC and random ftp and gopher sites on a dialup modem in the late 90's and into the mid 2000's. Dial-up BBS's were fading out into obscurity, and I hadn't really heard of Usenet (even though that was during it's hayday) and Bittorrent hadn't been invented yet.

[–] CallMeAl@piefed.zip 6 points 12 hours ago

Mulvad is 5 euro per month for up to 5 devices. You could split it with 4 other people...

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 hours ago

Decade and a half ago I torrented all the time and didn't get caught until I stupidly downloaded something from the top 100 torrents on pirate bay.

Not sure how safe torrents are now.

Never have had any issues with direct downloads and streaming. Just use your head, adblock, and virus scan your downloads (knowing that keygens or cracked exes may show as viruses).

For safest option and free: Use an up to date web browser with a good adblocker (ublock origin is the current best), stick to direct downloads using a download manager to manage the 12+ parts, and virus scan everything that you download. Download from trusted sites from the megathread. Direct download is generally safe, unless you live in one of the few countries cracking down on fitgirl repacks specifically. Then that site is off limits for you.

You can use torrents without a VPN, it's just not safe. You could be caught and the penalty will vary based off of what you're downloading, where you live, and who you use for an ISP.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

There's copyright infringement on one click hosters... And a loy of them offer slow, but free downloads. Some newcomers ask a friend to copy a movie from their harddisk or DVD collection... I mean piracy in general is a bit tricky for newcomers. There's some good resources linked in the sidebar... But a lot of piracy isn't exactly legal to do. And it's not really ethical to advise someone to do something that might get them in trouble... And openly recommending things is illegal in some jurisdictions. But yes. Don't do random torrents unless you know what you're doing.

[–] ElectricAirship@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 hours ago

Do you have a dvd/blu ray disc drive? You could go to your local library and go hog wild on their selection

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 2 points 11 hours ago

Go to the piracy Wiki, there's a bunch of websites where you can do direct downloads. That way you won't have to torrent, and therefore don't have to worry about your ISP looking and complaining about that unencrypted torrent traffic.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca -2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Why do you need a VPN? If authorities want to go after you they can figure out what you are doing from traffic pattern analysis, they don't need to read the information being transmitted. If it's about the letters provierss send sometimes, if they send you one, find a new provider, or worry about a VPN then.

All VPNs do is give you the illusion of being protected while taking your money. They will not deter a determined attacker or the authorities, not that torrenting would be a big deal anyways.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 3 points 7 hours ago

Some VPNs like Mullvad have the option of padding out the flow of data to thwart traffic analysis, at the expense of speed.

[–] bourgeoisie_burgers@hexbear.net 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Mullvad as mentioned. But for free... hmm proton has a free tier, assuming it will take a while to download over it. Or use someone else's internet. Someone you don't like. If you have a friend you can mooch of they might have a device free, mullvad has 5 per account. Proton 10 I think

[–] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 1 points 10 hours ago

I concur with others that your question depends a lot on where you live.

In my country if I take a "seedbox" in a datacenters I'm pretty much safe to pirate. The copyright holders don't bother with that.

On the other hand I have received a threatening email from some government agency because I downloaded a blockbuster movie on torrent without a VPN.

Your first step should be to check if there is any precedent of people having legal troubles or ISP threats after pirating where you live.

Then you can decide on the available avenues to go around that.

In many countries, anti piracy laws can be very dumb (mostly because they are the result of technically illiterate lawmakers).

Again I could pirate everything online if the IP that does it for me is in a datacenter. But the second I would do that directly at home and I could get in trouble.

For example I could have a seedbox download for me some content on torrents and then upload it to a file hoster like mega or something. And then I download that file without triggering any copyright holder scanners. It's stupid but if the torrenting is done by a business for me, it's off radar. But it's quite risky if I do it myself...

[–] sudoMakeUser@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago

It depends where you live if you need a VPN or not.

[–] alastel@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 hours ago

Where are you based? You might decide whether you think torrent without VPN is too risky based on the local law. I'm in a country where there is a three strikes system, with two notices before risking a fine, I've used torrents for circa 20 years without VPN and I'm still waiting to receive my first notice.

[–] engywook@programming.dev 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

You could utilize Tor's oniux and run your torrent client/regular browser through that. Depending on your base internet and area, though, connection speeds through it will vary wildly.

edit: I thought there was a Windows version, but I guess it's only for Linux. Not sure what you're running

[–] moonshadow@slrpnk.net 12 points 11 hours ago

Don't do this, it'll work like shit and make tor less usable for people who actually need it

[–] 10TH_OF_SEPTEMBER_CALL@hexbear.net -1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Make friends in the criminal underworld. Online, anonymous only. Then ask for a ssh access and install a vpn from there.

gnutella :3

[–] Banzai51@midwest.social -5 points 12 hours ago

What would you advise i do? what did you do when starting out?

Bought a VPN.