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More 128TB SSDs are coming as almost no one noticed this launch — another SSD controller that can support up to 128TB appeared paving the way for HDD-beating capacities::Phison quietly revealed an updated X2 SSD platform at CES

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 146 points 9 months ago (1 children)

as almost no one noticed this launch

That's because we're having trouble just getting food. A shiny new and expensive SSD isn't even on the list at this point.

[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 55 points 9 months ago (4 children)

At that size they are certainly targeting enterprise and cloud servers. Cool that they are getting that big, but they probably cost as much as a house.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

At that size they are certainly targeting enterprise and cloud servers

Dunno, have you seen the new Medal of Honor?

[–] WarshipJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

I haven't. Was it just announced? I loved that series as a kid.

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[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 52 points 9 months ago

I read 128GB SSDs and thought "who cares"

impressive.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

That’s cool and all, but the only reason I would want that capacity is to store stuff that I would want to store for much longer than a lifespan of an SSD. Only HDD’s have that kind of lifespan. Like a gigantic video library/archive. I guess these aren’t for me.

But if they drive down the price of high capacity, HDDs, all the better. 

[–] falkerie71@sh.itjust.works 43 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I remember that SSDs lifespan mainly depends on how much you overwrite the drive. For 128TB, it should take you a very long time to overwrite the entire drive, let alone couple hundred or thousand times to kill the drive. I know that bit rot also happens on SSDs, but that applies to HDDs as well, and good drive maintenance practices should alleviate the issue. Though for archival purposes/cold storage, tape drives are probably better.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The lifespan of your data isn't nearly as long as the lifespan of the cells storing your data. Due to leakage of of power from the cells, and the more and more dense these cells are being packed (leading to smaller differences between what voltage maps to what binary value), SSDs have issues with bitrot. With a disk this size you would need to have data regularly checked and refreshed (rewritten) to ensure the data being stored was still correct and not corrupted.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

All storage has issues with bit rot. There haven't been any studies to show that SSD is disproportionately affected.

[–] blurg@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In 2016, HDDs were more reliable (MTBF).

In 2022, for the first 5 years, SSDs are looking more reliable. With more of a constant failure rate (1%/yr), than the increasing failure rate of HDDs after 5 years.

(Caveat: not just bit rot, but general failure data.)

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[–] ridethisbike@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

When bits of data on a storage medium goes bad for seemingly no reason. If you've ever had a library of files and all of a sudden there's a file that won't open even though you haven't touched it.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If they are loading the drive up with media for archival purposes how much overwriting are they going to be doing, anyways? Theoretically the drive should last a very long time for that purpose.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Right, but if the point isn't for the drive to be actively used, and instead just hold data for archiving, then there's little reason to spend more money to get an SDD for that purpose when an HDD will hold that data just as well and for much cheaper.

The benefits of SSD over HDD are almost entirely in performance, so if SSD can develop further to provide a tangible benefit over HDD for long term storage, and do it for cheaper, then we can fully move away from it. But I don't think we're quite there yet.

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[–] ANIMATEK@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It’s not for you. It’s for enterprises, but I can drive down the prices of shit you would use. No noise, better performance, less energy; it’s a win-win.

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[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

HDDs typically don’t last as long as SSDs due to their mechanics failing. Data is there but it just won’t spin. I’ve yet to have an SSD actually fail. Every HDD I’ve ever owned, save one, has.

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[–] LightDelaBlue@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I care about affordable stuf not luxury .

[–] lud@lemm.ee 40 points 9 months ago

These are not intended for you anyways. They are designed for servers.

It's still interesting though and server hardware eventually makes it way down to normal people.

[–] captainastronaut@seattlelunarsociety.org 40 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I’m holding out upgrading for the holographic nano dark matter drives that have infinite storage capacity and RAID data into 3 alternate universes for security.

[–] archchan@lemmy.ml 33 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Some high tech alien's porn stash is embedded in the fabric of our universe and that's the reason we exist.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Are we the porn? Some alien's weird fetish?

[–] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If we are, the story's gone to shit.

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is why I feel like an interdimensional cumshot all the time.

[–] KingofHearts615@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Damn, Interdimensional cumshot sounds like an obscure metal band.

[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 27 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I may have just jizzed in my pants

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 57 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Maybe the price will dry you off.

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[–] HeavyDogFeet@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Realistically, a couple of 10TB drives would have me covered for like a decade at least. If these massive drives bring down the price of much smaller ones, I'm a happy boy.

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[–] randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 9 months ago (5 children)

That's some nice density you got there. While you're at it...

Can I get a 12.8TB drive 1/10th the physical size (m.2 2230) and has a steady transfer rate of 2.4GBs that costs <$200 dollhairs? Pretty please 🙏

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 17 points 9 months ago (3 children)

How expensive are they, $100,000 or maybe more?

[–] Abird1620@sh.itjust.works 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

$4.5k from a quick search.

Edit: I HAVE NO CLUE WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM LAST NIGHT

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-128tb-petabyte-storage

This states that a 32tb ssd costs roughly $7000

[–] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 17 points 9 months ago

≈$35/TB or ≈3.4¢/GB Actually not a bad deal at all, consider the current SSD prices.

[–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago

That's actually pretty reasonable.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm going to need a source for that, as it's well below even regular consumer SSDs.

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[–] D_Air1@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago

Still can't afford it.

[–] csm10495@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago (7 children)

What's the biggest HDD out there? I mean at sizes this big it's a lot of data to lose in one go if it dies. Even if you have backups or whatever that's a lot to have to restore.

[–] QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Are we including magnetic tape?

Looks like they hit 580 TB a few years ago: https://www.pcmag.com/news/fujifilm-and-ibm-set-world-record-with-580tb-magnetic-tapes

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[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Do you think the normal consumer would care? All that matters is for SSD to become as cheap or cheaper than HDDs or nothing

[–] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Capacity that high is for servers.

[–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Raab@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Servers full of porn

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[–] jenny_ball@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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