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[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

Oh? Let’s talk about my demands. GET THE FUCK OFF MY MACHINE

[–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

I would honestly prefer if they installed a boot drive with their own sandboxed OS than install this on my primary OS.

[–] TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Tim "Stop bullying grok for making cp" Sweeny strikes again

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

Now I wonder if he's in the Epstein files...

[–] Toes@ani.social 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The annoying part is this doesn't stop cheating, just pisses off the regular users.

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Doesn’t it? I can’t find any industry stats. One thing I count on is companies to be self-interested. I don’t think they would use these anti-cheats unless they worked.

[–] Toes@ani.social 3 points 12 hours ago

So there's a few ways I’ve been pondering to take this discussion.

Much like how there are users that create software cracks for games, and the game dev uses more sophisticated forms of DRM. There has been an similar arms race between software developers for game cheats. (Imagine an ouroboros) The attacker has the advantage; it's much cheaper to attack than defend.

There has been a new trend of hardware based cheating. Aimbot controllers, expansion cards that let another computer read memory values from ram, poisoned random number generators, remote USB controller debugging, etc.

What kernel level anticheats that enforce secureboot and TPM requirements are hoping to achieve is enforcing the attestation feature of the operating system (typically Windows) that the preboot environment has not been manipulated. Manipulating the preboot environment would allow an attacker to gaslight the kernel level anticheat into believing everything’s fine.

This does little to resolve hardware level cheating. (It does help with stopping early expansion cards from loading modules into memory) What's worse is secureboot+tpm is a defeated technology, relying on security patches to resolve these flaws. However, if your goal is to eliminate knowledgable adversaries they are just going to buy a motherboard with a secureboot issue and do it anyways, and the anticheat developer has no means to reliably triage that against an user with an older or insecure computer.

The cobra effect of anticheat tools like these are they typically eliminate linux players and users with misconfigured or legacy hardware. (such as someone who has installed Windows without using UEFI) These invasive anticheats load before windows at the same time as hardware drivers. (That spinny screen before you get into your desktop). If the anticheat tool malfunctions at this stage it take the whole computer down with it, an expensive problem for a ordinary user that needs hire tech support. And in the case of vanguard it downloads software updates at this point too, if you have slow internet or the update is huge you're stuck waiting to use your computer. And it doesn't even matter if you weren’t intending to play games at that point.

You might draw the conclusion that PC gaming is a dead fish from this information. But an important take away is that some of these issues are present on consoles as well thanks to how share the same framework of ordinary computers or smartphones.

[–] ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 52 points 1 day ago

For the infinityth time: Games don’t get to tell me how I use my computer

[–] JakenVeina@midwest.social 67 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The fact that Fortnite has been going THIS STRONG for THIS LONG, and is still basically the most profitable competitive online game ever just proves that none of that shit is necessary.

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I play occasionally and cheating has become more of an issue over the last 6-12 months. Some of my friends don’t even want to play anymore because of the cheating. I’m sure Epic is seeing some concerning metrics to justify implementing this because it would exclude many players which can’t meet the requirements.

[–] RamenJunkie@midwest.social 2 points 12 hours ago

They just need to add a bots only mode so players can avoid other players.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 16 points 1 day ago

yea, it was a big thing in '16 around the same time pokemongo was released, by GO fell off as the years went on, they still have a sizable amount of people playing. but fortnite just gets more people playing because they have skins or crossovers.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 60 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Its fun that all the things that requite secure boot and TPM are things I just don't want anyways.

Was gonna play high guard but it requires Secure Boot and I don't even know how to turn that shit on

[–] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fuck em, I switched to linux anyway.

[–] radiouser@crazypeople.online 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I haven't played Fortnite BUT if you haven't already give Arc Raiders a look/go. It's very fun.

(edit: it runs on Linux / Steam Deck too)

[–] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm playing it, but in Oceania there's only a small community so I get stuck in a lot of PvP servers. lately there's been a trio who are getting together in Solo to pick on people which is bullshit.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Not sure if The Finals (Embark's other game) has a bigger base in oceania or not, but it's free, proton platinum, and has also some pretty sweet gameplay.

[–] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 1 points 18 hours ago

I tried it while still on Windows and it wasn't for me. I've also got overwatch 6v6 to scratch my action urge.

[–] radiouser@crazypeople.online 1 points 21 hours ago

Yeah, that is bullshit and a real shame. I think people that PvP in Arc are weak sauce anyway (it is a PvPvE game but... If you want to PvP why not a PvP game?). Hopefully further down the line something might be done to address that.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 2 days ago (2 children)

All the more reason to not use the epic games store...

[–] FilthyHands@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't even claim the freebies anymore.

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 15 points 1 day ago

Never did. Poisoned well.

[–] Rhoeri@piefed.world 13 points 2 days ago

Fortnite itself isn’t good enough reason?

[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Another reason not to play this game. I dual booted Windows because of this game having a pretty decent PvE mode, though they don't give a shit about it anymore.

[–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

PVE mode? You mean the original game?

[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 1 points 15 hours ago

Yup. The Twine Peaks storyline is still missing ltic.

[–] MrSoup@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've heard you can play it on linux running the android version.

[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Unfortunately the PvE mode isn't available there.

[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's other games in town.

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

Fuck them. I played for my computer, it uses my electricity and my internet. It better do as I please!