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The middle schooler had been begging to opt out, citing headaches from the Chromebook screen and a dislike of the AI chatbot recently integrated into it.

Parents across the country are taking steps to stop their children from using school-issued Chromebooks and iPads, citing concerns about distractions and access to inappropriate content that they fear hampers their kids’ education.

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[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 201 points 1 week ago (23 children)

My first year teaching I was encouraged to do everything on the chromebooks, because the district wanted to save on printing costs.

If you have 100+ students, and are limited to 500 pages/month (I could print 500 more, but had to purchase my own paper…), you have to use the laptops.

Also, when parents and students increasingly treat attendance as a suggestion, keeping up with paper assignments is hellish. There were days I showed up with 1/3 or more of my class missing - with online class work, I at least could say “the work is available online.”

The technology is a problem, but it’s a problem that’s arisen because class sizes are out of control and admin has zero idea what is going on in the classroom. It’s a bandage that’s been left on so long the skin is starting to get infected around it.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 115 points 1 week ago (4 children)

What the fuck is it with schools being stingy with printed paper. At scale its less than a cent a sheet

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 88 points 1 week ago (10 children)

They also have to be paying for the software that tracks how many prints you use. It’s fucking stupid, and it’s just one of a million little ways that they make sure to punish anyone stupid enough to teach.

I ended up buying my own printer. Printing alone got me to the maximum $300 of classroom expenses I was allowed to write off on taxes.

Unfortunately not only a problem in schools. Where I work at there's already a pay per use system that bills the department, with an entire system with separate codes to identify where you belong financially. Now they're debating adding a fee for the ability to print.

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[–] TVA@thebrainbin.org 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Execs know teachers are doing it because of internal drive to teach and not for the pay and they take advantage of it in absolutely every way they can.

If teachers want useful posters on the wall, gotta pay for it. If teachers want students to not have to share a worksheet 3:1, teachers will pay for it. It's incredible not only how much they do for free, but how much they pay out of pocket for the "privilege"

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Yeah. The system in the US works on exploiting, crushing, and discarding young teachers. Almost none of the other teachers I met while teaching are still in the profession. You are expected to martyr yourself for the job - I usually didn’t get to eat lunch, because I was busy. I stopped drinking water, because I ended up pissing myself one day when I couldn’t get to the restroom.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

Teachers where I live are constantly asking for donations of basic school supplies, snacks, tissues, and cleaning supplies for classrooms. It is incredibly disheartening.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

So many donations and funds for schools are earmarked, you can only spend them in specific ways. If you spend them in ways that don't align with the earmark, it's incredibly easy for the donors or the state to claw them back. So that $40mil your local suburban school district spent on a new football stadium? That was likely earmarked SPECIFICALLY for football, they can't really just swish the money to better textbooks, or whatever. Same with tech funding - you get $250k to upgrade your school district with Chromebooks or whatever, you MUST buy within what the funding packet tells you you can buy, and you can't really do anything else with it.

That doesn't even get into the cartelization of textbooks and school software. There's so few real options that it's incredibly easy for these companies to collude without really looking like it's collusion.

[–] r00ty@kbin.life 16 points 1 week ago

I'm old enough such that when I was at primary school (this is years 5-11 for non UKians) there was a computer. Not in every class, no. A computer, on a wheeled trolley that could be moved around. Well actually I think there were probably three. Because there were three floors and no-one was going to move that trolley up and down the stairs. But still it definitely was not one per class.

It was barely used. In fact, the teachers didn't really know HOW to use it. They actually just let me go at it, because I did know how to work it.

In secondary school (11-15/16), things were somewhat different in that there were slightly more modern computers, most classes had one and there was a dedicated room where there was a classroom number of computers available. This was where we were taught "ICT" which, was essentially showing how to use word processors and spreadsheet software. Again teachers of the time were quite far behind and I'm not exaggerating here, I used to help the teacher, teach this class. But there was no programming, or any advanced use. It was very basic tasks with specific software. All of our written work, even for this class was written with a pen, in an exercise book.

Now, budgets were still terrible. I can be pretty sure about this because I remember that because we DID still do everything on paper, photocopies were handed around the room. Oh they weren't any flash laser photocopy (well sometimes in secondary school it was). No, these was the kind with the fuzzy purple ink that was hand rolled to make a copy. But we got by.

Now, there's no doubt we live in a digital world and computing must be taught because we do everything on a phone or computer now and people need to know how to do it. But, there's still surely a good reason to be doing work in exercise books with a pen and paper? Everything cannot be on a computer.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 111 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I've opted out of the school Chromebooks for my kids because they have computers running real GNU at home. We should all be outraged that schools are pushing a locked-down surveillance/content consumption-only platform, as opposed to something like a Raspberry Pi that actually empowers kids to have real computer literacy.

[–] Prox@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This - like most problems we've created in the US - comes down to money. Google will often donate/grant Chromebooks to schools in order to create future ~~addicts~~ customers. It would cost schools a lot more to do what's right (or at least better) for their students, so they don't do that thing.

[–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

yup, it's the same playbook Apple had in the 80's and 90's. Get them into schools and get everyone used to their ecosystem so they would buy their products after graduating. Bill Gates did the same thing in the 90's to outfit computer labs in schools with a bunch of Dell computers.

[–] modus@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I'm curious to know if anyone here has ever approached the school IT department to ask what steps they take to mitigate or eliminate surveillance and tracking in these devices. I know it's inherent in Google products to begin with, but do they even try? Or pretend to try? Or admit they don't care?

[–] Newsteinleo@infosec.pub 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The IT Department knows about all the problems it's the administration that does not care and won't let the IT people do anything. Also, you don't want to know how bad the procurement process is with most school systems.

[–] modus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Good point. I've never worked in education. I neglected the fact that they're just fulfilling orders. I believe you it's probably a shitshow with privacy and preemptive security procedures almost non-existent.

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[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 72 points 1 week ago

Get Google out of our schools

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 65 points 1 week ago (3 children)

They're putting AI in children's school laptops? Not only teaching them to think less, but letting a corporation directly influence them?

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They are Chromebooks. A gigantic corporation is already influencing them?

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 24 points 1 week ago

There's a big difference between "hey kids, use this machine, it has Internet access and Brand products" and "hey kids, ask me anything you'd like, and I'll give you the Brand approved answer."

[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Kids have two options. Out dated propaganda, or propaganda that might hallucinate a few key details.

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[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 61 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

That's the one good side effect of AI, it makes people want to move away from technology where it's not really necessary

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

also counterproductive, handwriting is better for retention.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Handwriting is better for retention if you are good at writing notes. Not everybody can write fast and legibly and still listen to and comprehend the lecture.

[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Which is why we practice it. Why we teach it.

My son is 12, ADHD (&others) and in special education. His first semester in middle school last year, he smashed his Chromebook, on purpose, to break it. Hes now only allowed to use a computer for state testing. Luckily, he is in small classrooms with the IEP so nearly all his work is on paper. I refuse to sign the permissionfor computer use and the teachers agree and haven't faught me on it at all.

He recently told me he didn't know what barbaric meant. Annoyed, realizing we lost the pocket dictionary some time ago, I went to the bookstore and got the best dictionary they had. I also, saw this:

So I grabbed it. There are lessons and quizzes in it teaching root word definitions. We've done a couple lessons now. I have him take notes, writing the word and the definition in his own words, unless it a short definition, then it's easy. But then, he can use those notes to take the quiz. Ive done this so he can learn to note take. It will only take a few open note quizes to realize the importance of reading them back, and structuring your notes in a way that are useful. It's all practice, and it needs to start early. My son's handwriting is shit, absolute garbage. But he's been writing everything at school since fall of '24, and there has been improvement in spelling, legibility and vocabulary, exponentially in the last couple years.

The whole point of writing is to convey a message. If ones writing isn't legible, it is lost, and this needs to be understood by students. They can adapt to their needs.

I have ADHD also, I worked very hard at my schoolwork, I wasn't diagnosed until far after I left school. I used short form I made up myself, and just got better at writing main ideas down. The schools.. Are so dumbed down today, even in gen ed. These (middle school) teachers are not giving hour lectures expecting these kids to take proper notes. But,that doesn't mean kids can't get better with practice.

My son's writing is garbage, so I have him write more. Being bad at something isn't an excuse to give up. Being he is in special edu, and I can't goddamn go to work (I'm so ready to go back to work omg) I spend a lot of energy stuffing as much education I can into him at home in support of the teachers' efforts.

If an artist is bad a drawing hands, they could, in theory, never draw a hand in their work. OR, they can draw all the goddamn hands until they are satisfied and learned how to do it comfortably. Idk. "They can't write fast and legibly" is just not an excuse for the average student IMO, because notetaking is a skill that is learned.

[–] foodandart@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

The fine motor control that comes of handwriting is critical if he likes to tinker or discovers any sort of work/hobby that requires manual dexterity.

Keep pushing on that, also, get a book on how to print like you're writing the dialogue in a comic book or how to print like an architect making a blueprint. If he can work out the shapes and spacing, he can develop his own legible style in time and move on to a fusion-style cursive with those print shapes.. It realy does make a difference in note-taking.

My dad was a design draftsman and taught me how to do that block print that I'd see on blueprints, and I have a super easy to read cursive based on that now.

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[–] Technoworcester@feddit.uk 48 points 1 week ago (3 children)

said she was only allowed under state law to opt the children out of standardized testing and sexual health lessons,

WTF? Why the fuck can someone opt kids out of EITHER of these things?

[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well the latter is pretty easy, it's easier to sexually molest children that haven't gone through sex education.

[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

I think this heavily depends. Sex education for a lot of places, especially in rural areas, tends to be fucked up backwards and downright harmful. Last I checked several states have abstinence only sex ed and do things like show kids a bunch of pictures of STDs and leverage scare tatics to deter them from having sex. I think opting out of that shit show and having a candid conversation with your kid about sex is probably the ethical thing to do in those places.

[–] SayJess@piefed.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Christians. They deserve special treatment, because they are all special.

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[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 47 points 1 week ago (3 children)

From the article:

She also started a parent group with 75 members that’s asking the district to allow students to keep Chromebooks at school rather than take them home.

Seems like such a good idea to leave that at the school. I had a relative who was a teacher, she rarely ever assigned homework. She always said it was her job to teach them in those 6 hours, and the rest of the day was theirs. She did have a weekend workshop for kids that needed tutoring, and after class hours, but in general, leave school at school and be a kid.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wish my teachers had that attitude. I got sent home with hours of homework almost every day. I particularly remember my raging bitch of an 8th grade math teacher who would assign 100s of problems a night and give you zero points if you didn't do all of them. My mom even backed me up on arguing about that shit. If I couldn't get it done during my study period and lunch hour I didn't do it. I had better things to do with my time after school.

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"it's only an hour of homework!"

-Each of your 6 teachers

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[–] lumbertar@lemmy.today 33 points 1 week ago (9 children)

We have a county near me that has just committed to doing away with Chromebook’s and going back to pen and paper. The reason being that literacy scores in that area have dropped rather significantly. I worry that whether it is literacy or technological competency students are doomed to fall in one direction or another.

[–] KiloGex@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Computers have nothing to do with it. It's everything to do with curriculum requirements and the lack of explorative reading thanks to standardized testing. Other countries like China, Taiwan, and Finland have been able to adopt technology with no loss in reading literacy. It's because they have focused, thought out integration and not just slapdash by whatever corporation gives them the best deal.

I totally agree though. It seems like right now either kids are stuck in front of a computer with no prep or any other supplemental education, or they're completely unplugged and unprepared for interacting with technology outside of an iPhone.

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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

It's also a BIG privacy issue.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Public education either needs to be reclaimed and rebuilt from all the corrupting influences that have torn it apart. I'm not worried about the children of intelligent people, who can fall back on enrichment provided by their families, but so many kids are, at best, getting left behind or worse, being indoctrinated with all sorts of corpo-fascism now inherent in the system. Most kids seem to be coping pretty alright, so far, but I worry about the trends, and the future.

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[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

This may be the millennial in me talking but I've generally found schools to be fucking dire when it comes to implementing technology in the classroom.

During Year 10 (equivalent to 9th Grade for any Yanks here), our school enrolled in a government programme to start using PDAs in the classroom. So they offered every kid in our year a Pocket LOOX 720 at a heavily subsidized price.

They were never used in lessons.

Pupils instead used them as music/video playback devices and to play games, since it was 2007, smartphones weren't yet a thing and YouTube was just in its infancy.

Maybe things have improved since I left secondary school.

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[–] Broadfern@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Good on those parents for advocating for their kids’ wishes!

When even the students are stressed and overwhelmed by the enshittification, that should be a glaring sign that something has to change. Humans need a break from the always-on, endless stream of digital information, especially that young.

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Unfortunately even this will have to be another battle because there is a lot of monied interest in shoving all these shitty devices down schools throats.

If something is clearly doing harm but no one is stopping it, then it's because someone is making money off of it.

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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Other benefits of writing on paper:

  • doesn’t get “accidentally” deleted
  • doesn’t get “accidentally” copied
  • doesn't get uploaded to a cloud
  • isn't used to train AI
  • can’t be edited or redacted by another party after the fact

It also feels good. Especially if you go out and buy a nice pen. And it gives your work a degree of object permanence.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Dogs eat it though. I've never heard "the dog ate my Chromebook".

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We all need to do this. I'd be raising hell if my kid were in school these days. He graduated in 2016, just before things got REALLY bad.

I read /r/teachers, and I'm shocked that kids are being passed up through the grades who can barely read, and can't focus on anything at all for more than one minute. They're allowed to eat in class? Look at their phones? They get up and wander around, and even leave the classroom? WTF?

"Sit down! Shut up! Put the damn phone away and pay attention!", is what I'd say right before I was fired from being a teacher, I suppose.

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[–] arcine@jlai.lu 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think there was a Japanese study that shown that pen and paper is superior in terms of memorisation even to handwriting on a tablet (in addition to the well publicised fact that handwriting is far better than typing for that too)

I wish we had more info on the subject. Definitely got me to switch back to pen and paper from my iPad, and anecdotally I think it's worked out well for me.

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