cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7760707
"Death to Germany because they say their reason for existing is to support 'Israel'^[Not a joke, they call this "Staatsräson".]? That's genocidal against Germans."
Sorry, but I don't care about your colonizer fragility.
I know commenting here is a mistake, but there must be a way that this is not always black and white.
The whole Israel situation is extremely complicated.
What I don't like: the killing of the people living in the Gaza strip.
What I also don't like: the killing of the Israeli by the Hamas.
Amd regarding the land, this is another difficult topic I don't know enough about, but my current stance is that you should not expell the locals when you try to life somewhere.
However what can Germany as a country do?
Basically nothing, every critic to Israel will be seen as antisemitism.
Out of curiosity. If your home was stolen by government backed militia death squads and you and your family were put in concentration camps before being shipped to an open air prison. If then those same militiamen were to routinely encroach on the prison to continue to beat, rape and murder men women and children with impunity while they continue to steal land and at the same time your children were tries in military court for throwing rocks at the prison wall would you not join the resistance?
If you were a slave would you not strike a blow to kill your master and gain your freedom?
Acting like the violence the oppressors inflict upon the oppressed and the liberatory violence the oppressed must use to free themselves is the same is peak colonial mentality and you should really do some introspection
Most of us don't like violence, believe me, we'd love it if the settlers stopped the genocide, returned the stolen homes, paid reparations and helped rebuild the place, etc. The problem is that Israel is incapable and unwilling of any of this, they keep stealing homes to this day and they won't stop until they have all the land or until the international community makes them stop.
Hamas is a national liberation movement. If Palestinians were treated as people it'd have never gotten this bad, but it's the logical reaction when you dehumanize people, dismantle their less extreme organizations and keep killing children. Have you never seen that? They kill the children. Of course people will grab guns and try to protect their community. I know a guy (not close to him) who lost about thirty relatives just months after October 7, imagine losing branches of your family tree because they decided to conduct an extermination campaign against you for being part of an ethnic group.
This situation isn't complicated at all. There are people who we've been taught to see as non-human, who are being genocided as we speak. They're not any less human than you or me. And no matter how misleading the media is in their framing, Palestinians deserve their freedom, their children deserve to be alive long enough to grow and build their own lives, all of them deserve peace and respect, bodily autonomy and sovereignty. And the solution to violence is never genocide.
every critic to Israel will be seen as antisemitism.
And that's more important than palestinian lives?
Israel can only exist by murdering Palestinians and stealing their land. Hamas is a reaction to settler-colonial genocide, and this genocide is materially aided by Germany. Germany can stop supplying Israel with tools for genocide.
This is not true.
Also I don't support the current governments killing spree.
But Hamas is much longer a terror organisation that has the goal of destroying all Jews.
Also all surrounding countries support the suffering of the Palestinians. It helps them fighting Israel without actually going to war against them.
Egypt could just let people leave the Gaza strip. Many want to flee. But Egypt needs Gaza to hurt Israel, so they don't let anyone through.
Every word I said was true, you're repeating blatant hasbara.
Also I don’t support the current governments killing spree.
You do, by supporting Israel's right to exist. Israel is a settler-colony on stolen land, it has to commit genocide in order to exist.
But Hamas is much longer a terror organisation that has the goal of destroying all Jews.
Hamas' goal is Palestinian liberation, and their enemy is not Jewish people, but Israel as a genocidal settler-colony. Hamas was formed as a response to genocide.
Also all surrounding countries support the suffering of the Palestinians. It helps them fighting Israel without actually going to war against them.
This is a conspiracy theory. Surrounding areas oppose Israel and support Palestinian liberation because Israel is a terrorist micro-state. The purpose of Israel is to fight enemies of western imperialism in West Asia.
Egypt could just let people leave the Gaza strip. Many want to flee. But Egypt needs Gaza to hurt Israel, so they don’t let anyone through.
In other words, you're saying Palestinians should leave and let their land be fully colonized.
No wonder Feddit.org was defederated by dbzer0 for being infested with Zionists.
I say that people who want to flee should be able to. Not everyone wants to die for some piece of dirt.
However neither Egypt nor Israel is letting people go!
Shit has hit the fan more than quarter of a century ago down there. It is not that easy to just say "give Palestinians their land and let them be" you ignore decades of war about exactly that topic.
You must go back at least to the downfall of the ottoman empire and the British colonialisation of the area in order to get a grasp of war that is currently ongoing.
I don't support Israel, but I also don't support Palestinians!!!
And everyone who just puts you in the other extreme of you don't support their opinion is a stupid fuck and go away!
This is why I don't engage in these comments usually. There is no in between. You must be one of the extreme supporters!
You support Israel by not supporting Palestine. I support Palestnian liberation and Palestinians, not Zionism and genocide like you do. Pretty clear-cut. You have to understand the Nakba, the deals the founding Zionists made with the Nazis, the role Israel plays today with respect to western interests, and more.
With this logic every American citizen who doesn't actively try to stop Trump must be supporting him.
Or every Russian that isn't trying to kill Putin loves his ass.
By not supporting that there are opinions outside of the extreme you must be supporting Nazis!
I can go on with the stupid comparisons.
I don't like how entitled you think you are to define who is supporting what just on your emotions.
Germany is actively supplying the IDF with weapons used to murder hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. By taking an inactive stance, saying you support neither Palestine nor Israel, you are just watching Germany help slaughter hundreds of thousands of innocents. You're a Zionist, plain and simple, and it isn't due to emotions but due to your deliberate inaction.
If you've ever wondered what you would be doing if you lived during the reign of the Nazis and the Holocaust, you're doing it now. Your country is facilitating genocide and you're busy trying to paint the resistance to genocide as terrorists so as to justify the genocide.
Yeah sure think that if you want.
You sound like someone desperate extremist who is trying to split people because only your opinion is the correct one....
I'm desparate to stop genocide, while you seem happy to stand back and watch it happen. Personally, I think it's more extremist to sit back and watch genocide than to try to stop it.
every critic to Israel will be seen as antisemitism.
Sarkha intensifies
"Death to America? Uhh that's literally a vall for genocide you crazy tankie"
It takes a lot of restraint to not just respond with "hell yeah I support the white genocide", but I don't want to read a thousand "see, you're genocidal" smug replies from people who think white genocide is real.
They'll do it anyways for this post alone.
Lemmitors reading this, every time you cry about anti-white racism we add another global north country to the list of mayocide targets.
There are only ~200 countries on the planet, we'd have far surpassed the number of global north countries if we did that lol
Count every german fiefdom individually
Still not enough
We're going to need MORE german infighting.
MORE
OK, new JDPON plan: balkanize the kkkrakkker countries, then mayocide.
Asymptotic rates of balkanization
At the rate at which kkkrakkkers on the fediverse express their white fragility, soon each white person will have more than one country to themselves. What happens when the number of mayo countries exceeds the number of individual atoms in the known universe? We need to scientists to study this problem ASAP.
Forget socialism in one country, we are now moving onto country in one person!
Got into an argument with my MAGA mom during the holidays and at one point she said, "so, you think white people should feel guilty?!" Took a lot of will power to not say, "no, I think white people should die!"
Most of them don’t even think it’s real, yet will happily promote the idea. See False Witnesses, an article in the ”Brainwashing” series.
As far as I know, Israel's stance is that because Jews inhabited Israel before the Arab Palestinian "invaders," they're completely justified in exterminating them to take back their homeland.
If we assume that Israel's stance is "correct," doesn't it logically follow that every other country is completely justified in exterminating Jews because they're "invaders" to everywhere but Israel?
If that's not antisemitic I don't know what is.
Or, if the assertion is that every country should accept and accommodate Jews (which is the correct assertion obviously), why are Jews in Israel not held to the same standard regarding Palestinians?
If we assume that Israel’s stance is “correct,”
It's also worth noting (I'm sure you're aware of this) that it's completely false. Palestinians were Arabized, they were there before Arabs and then became Arabs and are even party descendants of the Jews who remained in the region. They are native to Palestine and Ashkenazim are not (they are Europeans). The most important early zionists such as Herzl and Ben Gurion were very aware of this when they openly described their project as colonialism.
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