They need to cast out the person who can't renew the ssl certificate.
this post was submitted on 18 Mar 2026
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Who renews certificates these days? You automate that now, especially with 47 day certs coming.
That's the level of incompetency that needs to be booted
My renewals have been running in a crontab for five years without any hiccups. The fact they can't do that is simply lazy.
Riot Games recently screwed it and downed LoL for a while
I haven’t used Arch for quite a while but doesn’t it come with an install script now which makes the installation more automated? That should enable a lot more people to install Arch instead of e.g. Manjaro I suppose. I’m not an expert on Manjaro but are there any meaningful positives to pick Manjaro over Arch?
This is why I'm going to argue for pure Arch or Artix. Ultimately, what a lot of these distros bring to the table is artwork. But they bite off a lot more than artwork when doing so. And in time they can start to suck at that administration.
It's not very hard to set up your system with a vanilla DE and adjust it into something good. You don't need to get fancy. And to the extent someone else's art work can be good and accelerate getting to a nice system, there are other ways to distribute that.
You should want your distro to be 95% administration and 5% art because in the long run that's whats going to keep your system stable and avoid future headaches. But some artists are overly ambitious and envision creating an entire version of an operating system, including the parts they aren't passionate about. And some people buy in on this premise and install these projects. ...instead of just releasing dot files.
For it to go well requires that both the leadership and the contributors are passionate about all of the parts and passionate about them forever. Not very likely. If you want a distro that is administered well, get a distro where administration is all they do, and then get your artwork as a separate selection.
Now you can get your art from artists who put 95% of their effort into art. And your package stability by people who put 95% of their effort into package stability.
Everyone has romantic feelings toward a system that is integrated. But what they should realize is that integrated and modular are opposites. And modular is what they should want, with effective roll separation.
If they fork Majaro that is good. If when they fork it they scope down to just distribute a dot file set, and maybe create their own easy installer for Arch that isn't a seperate whole distro, that is better.
Already thought about migrating to EndeavorOS. I hope they can manage to keep the whole thing going.
I made that switch a year ago and it has been great, manjaro cause me alot of little issues I dint realize we're manjaro specific.
As others suggest, why stay attached to Manjaro at all? Instead of forking, what about expending that energy on a rising distro without such reputational damage?
CachyOS is very close “in spirit” if they want to develop modified/custom packages, but there are plenty Arch downstream distros with less toxic communities.
They could even fork some other project and make the changes they like. It’d be a saner base than Manjaro at this point.
You are assuming that the cachy devs want the help of folks who have not demonstrated competence in their own project or want to do stuff how manjaro does
EndeavorOS too, which is even closer to "vanilla" Arch than CachyOS.
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its a garbage distro
I've been using it for years, very few problems
awh comon I just installed it for the first time, what's wrong with Manjaro?
I wouldn't necessarily say it's bad, but I don't use it because:
- The project's had a history of failing at really basic administrative tasks like keeping their ssl certificate up to date
- I'm unconvinced they actually do the testing that justifies the delays and not just using arch. This is because security patches sometimes also get delayed and issues have gotten past the delay
- They've accidentally DDoSed the aur multiple times by shipping broken versions of pamac when fixed versions were available
- I've seen complaints about leadership and how they handle finances, though I haven't really looked into this
Don't worry, it's just the open-source version of the market correcting. There's no stock, no venture capital. If the group putting in time and effort to help maintain something doesn't like how the project is being run, they take a copy and start over with a new name. It's happened countless times on OS, it'll happen countless more. Often, the existing leadership is burned out, some of the more active members move on, and those left through attrition lack the skills to keep it going. The forks generally move forward faster and cleaner with more active people. Other than needing to change distros, it's pretty much a win.
It’s not so much that the distro is bad, but the leadership of the project, according to a lot of the community working on it, is very unresponsive, bad at administration, doesn’t make decisions that need to be made in a timely manner and not really doing their job. The community basically wants to cut them out and move on.
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Honestly the damage is done. Manjaro has been an instant no from me dog for a long time. The name carries a negative connotation. Trust has eroded.
What happened?
The trust. It eroded.
I mean, I think they were looking for a little more detail that that.
Over a hundred thousand years the ocean of distrust has eroded the cliffs of trust in a non-insignificant manner.
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Plenty of things, but the most obvious being the two separate instances they had issues with renewing their certs.
It's more than that. Broken updates. Failed hardware ventures. The project has been shambling along for a long time.
and the certs lapsed again after volunteers built tooling to Prevent That
but somebody never set up the cron job to run it
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Failing to renew TLS certificates on time multiple times is enough to never touch it again, but there's also been a lot of other problems with Manjaro.
When I used Manjaro, it never made it more than 6 weeks before something would catastrophically break and I'd have to roll back using snapshots.
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The fact that CachyOS more or less successfully replaced Manjaro's purpose I guess is evidence of Manjaro's issues.
I forgot but I think Bazzite had similar complaints (due to its use of silverblue) in which case it was just more straightforward to use Fedora or OpenSUSE if you don't want to work with the read only root system.
Downstream distros need to bring additional value to the table to be worth using, otherwise there's really no need if you can make a package group that accomplishes the same thing in one go.
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Good for them! A second TLS problem after what happened last time is unacceptable. I hope the 'mutiny' succeeds.
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Aragorn writes that Philip Müller (the project lead) has been running Manjaro as his own personal venture rather than a community effort, keeping a tight hold on access to both the codebase and the infrastructure.
These weasels never care about the actual thing that is being built, its just a way to make money for them.
Hope they kick that Philip guy out and get back to making this a passion project.
The core members with passion for the actual thing should restart under a new name.
Did I just find next distro to try? :) Kudos to them anyway (yay, that's the kind of news I want to hear)
Doesn't look like it. But the project will now go to the to-be-founded non-profit association.
Philm actually replied around the time of your comment, sharing his disdain that this plan was set in motion, while as company owner he has no one to talk to legally, since the association has not been founded yet. He's supportive of the move, and technically he's right. The association should've already been founded, to be fair.
I hope this means Manjaro will thrive!
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Just fork already. EndeavourOS exists, an awesome distro, so this threat is a triviality.
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Switching distros was not on my agenda. 🙃
Me neither. The more I dwell on it, the grumpier I'm getting. Distro hopping is a young man's sport. I've got work to do.
Thankfully, I learned the hard way a long time ago that my files are almost entirely on a secondary drive and my home folders are all simply symlinks to folders there, so I won't lose any data since that drive won't be wiped. But it's just such a pain in the butt to set up everything the way I like it.
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