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Would be nice to have a non Google device with GrapheneOS
Motorola is supposed to be doing Graphene supported phones soon, whether thats from the factory or with an official installer I am not sure
Seems likely at this moment that Motorola phones will run GrapheneOS be right out the gate as it is a partnership. Just hopefully it’s not a one sided partnership and Motorola doesn’t strong arm the GrapheneOS people into something that is more locked away and just works like an app. https://www.digitaltrends.com/phones/motorola-plans-to-put-grapheneos-on-phones-so-why-is-it-a-big-deal/
From the outside, this doesn't look one sided to me and Motorola (Lenovo) won't want GrapheneOS "locked away".
Motorola partnered with GrapheneOS explicitly because they want the highest security for their enterprise phones (in my opinion), so Motorola demanding GrapheneOS be less secure would be silly for them anyways since they prioritise enterprise (as far as I know).
And in any case, if Motorola caused beef with the GrapheneOS team, I believe in GrapheneOS's morals to ignore stupidity. They probably have a contract anyways that states Motorola have near zero influence over the OS.
Motorola is desperate for a non-Google solution because they don't want to be losing to Google when it has a monopoly over everything. So you may be right in that Motorola wants the highest security for enterprise but more generally if they don't have an alternative operating system then they don't have a future in the cell phone business.
Enterprise wants it to be managable in case of loss or theft.
Security is a nice to have.
Lenovo and Dell are some of the only companies that actually care about Linux weirdly enough. That also arnt Linux software developers anyways. If anyone's goanna do it "right" it's those two.
2027ish
Yeah but even then - are they targeting hobbyists and privacy crowd? Or more like some special enterprise use case?
Short answer, whoever buys them, all of the above. But consider, that with the whole world's slide to the default invasion of privacy, the privacy crowd might well get invaded by the average Joe tired of all the shit.
It's definitely meant for their Enterprise customers.
Then hopefully M$ Authenticator and banking apps will work on it.
so, only the most expensive phones not even my small company will afford
The Moto Signature which is their highest end phone is £900, and a price comparison site can get you an under £40 contract, so the successor should be similar.
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It's an HTC device, Google has just consumed the entire tech sector.
Really need Theodore Roosevelt to rise from his grave and start taking his big stick to all the big, monopolistic companies again.
I went Graphene a while back and can't be happier with it.
I'd still love to see a real Linux phone that really works and really has native Signal/etc apps but since buying a pinephone years ago to tinker with it, I'm not holding my breath.
If anyone here has fears/questions about installing/using it, I can give you basics. NOT an expert, but installation was the easiest thing I could have imagined, took MAYBE 10 minutes literally following their official guide.
Does signal not work on grapheneOS?
Im bound to end up on graphene in the very near future but im trying to prepare myself for the conveniences ill be giving up, I know tap to pay is one, and bank apps proba ly wont work (but online banking in a browser works fine for me)
Is there anything else like that?
Signal, and its improved client app, Molly, works great on Graphene without any issues.
Honestly all my apps worked, even my banking app. I had one weird case where an unpopular app did not work, but I had contacted the Devs of that app, and it soon got resolved -- I'm not sure if I helped.
So now, all my apps work without any issues.
Signal is flawless on my Fairphone with /e/os
Signal is flawless. It was a disaster in my testing on a pinephone with Linux.
Agree. On my fifth anniversary with GrapheneOS and it still kicks ass.
The Pixel phones on the other hand still leave a lot to be desired as reliable hardware. My 8 Pro is the best of the ones I've owned, but not by much considering my Pixel 6 Pro had a shitty Tensor modem, and my Pixel 4 XL had a spicy pillow.
The sooner GrapheneOS moves to Motorola, the better.
I went 1 2 4 7 9. The first two where good 4 was shit 7 was even more shit and 9 has been slight better shit.
But it's still better then fucking Samsung. Wish there was a good third option on Verizon that didn't require me to jump through fucking hoops or is just a worse pixel.
I don't have any serious complaints about my 9a REALLY, but I'd prefer something with SD, headphone jack, and I'd REALLY kill for something much smaller. (but no fold, that stuff's for derpy weirdos)
If Motorola offer one with and SD card and headphone jack, I'm buying it on day one.
I had looked it up, they are starting with new phones in the same line/family as Motorola Signature, Motorola razr fold and Motorola razr ultra apparently
So the closest baseline is the Moto Signature, and even then it won't ever meet their standards. Best to start from the Signature's specs and hypothesize from there.
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This might be a silly question, but do you think it would be a good idea for me to first set up my old android phone with my bank and authenticator apps before I make the switch in case some of them don't work?
For authenticator, do NOT use Authy
I'll keep that in mind, thanks!
Yep sounds like a good idea to me, I like when people think ahead like that.
Thanks! I have an old Motorola I can use for banking. I think in just gonna do it tonight!! Wish me luck!
Good luck
I did it!!
Yeah you did. Welcome to the proud elite.
The software for linux phones is pretty much there. Gnome and KDE mobile are surprisingly capable. There’s built in apps for every basic thing you’d need on a phone like a dialer, SMS app, camera, etc. plus all the normal apps adapted to work with mobile like the calculator and maps apps.
The only real limitation is with the hardware. I have no idea why all new linux phones launch with specs from a decade ago. You can get a better experience by flashing ported Postmarket OS to an Android phone like the Nothing phone or a OnePlus 6t.
It shouldn’t be like that, no idea why it’s impossible to just have a linux phone with decent specs and a good camera on par with modern flagships.
Because Linux phones with proper hardware are sold at 1k and hundreds of people want to but that, not thousands or millions and thus they don't actually get built. Couple of attempts just lasttear didn't pan out.
Linux phones try to build from upstream Linux, and the major phone SoC vendors HATE upstreaming their code.
They believe every character in their source code is absolutely top secret.
A middle ground I wish was considered more is taking Google's kernel and the vendors DLKM partition/DTB/DTBO for hardware support, and putting a GNU userspace on top.
This has had problems in the past, because vendors would modify syscall tables such that they don't match userspace anymore, but with GKI, I think we're closer to that being a possibility
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I'm about to make the switch myself. I have a Pixel tablet and a P9 Pro. I swapped my tablet over just so I can test things out. I want to deGoogle completely. No play store.
So far I've had to make a list of all my apps I have on my phone and go one-by-one seeing if there's an apk for it somewhere outside of play store, and if not, then if there's an alternative app, and then website or PWA it is.
I've come to realize I have a lot of unnecessary bullshit on my phone to begin with. Think I'll make the switch this weekend, just need to find a few more alternatives to specific apps.
Thanks! I had no idea about this, wish it was a little more robust but I'll definitely be sharing this app with others!
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Lol "flaw"
Guess I'm ditching android fully. Anyone got any reccos for something with a pricetag that won't make me cry and no Google bullshit?
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