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[–] gurty@lemmy.world 3 points 19 minutes ago

Has anyone done the ‘US invades itself’ joke yet?

[–] roserose56@lemmy.zip 1 points 14 minutes ago

Who is going to invade USA this time ?

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 22 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Lithium isn't quite like gold. It is not rare at all. The news isn't that it is there, the news is that someone has found a place where it is relatively easy to dig, and lots of it.

In only a few years, most batteries will be made without lithium anyway.

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

In only a few years, most batteries will be made without lithium anyway.

Citation needed.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 11 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Sodium-ion and maaaaybe iron are promising, with sodium-ion making the most headway.

https://batterycouncil.org/battery-facts-and-applications/about-sodium-batteries/

Not quite widely commercially available yet, but I wouldn't invest heavily in lithium is it was me.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 4 points 46 minutes ago

Ehh.... Lithium batteries are going to be around for quite a while even if sodium ion batteries take off. It's just more energy dense than sodium ion, so it's always going to be better for things like portable electronics.

Sodium ion might take over the market for heavier batteries like stationary power banks.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Consult a periodic table. Lithium will always out perform sodium. Sodium batteries only exist because lithium costs more, but these large deposits are being found worldwide every few months and lithium will drop in price as a commodity. At some point, recycling will require much less new lithium to be mined.

[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 1 points 55 minutes ago (2 children)

Sodium is better in the more important ways than lithium.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 7 points 37 minutes ago

Either state WTF you are talking about or find a better way to waste people's time.

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 2 points 30 minutes ago

Wood is cheaper than steel. Which apparently is the most important way to be better in. But I wouldn't build a skyscraper out of it.

Saying that energy density is not important in energy storage technology is as stupid as saying that material strength is not important in building materials.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org -2 points 47 minutes ago (1 children)

Yes you may quote me, if you really need it.

Or leave it. For reasonable people, it is obvious anyway.

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 2 points 34 minutes ago

I already quoted you. I don't need your permission to do it.

If you're not gonna even try to defend your position you're just spreading misinformation.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Have you not been paying attention to the development of sodium batteries? They are already surpassing LithIon batteries in energy density and cost.

[–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Cost, yes, energy density, very much no.

[–] starik@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

So good for grid storage, bad for vehicles?

[–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Yes. Chinese manufacturers are using sodium batteries in some low-range cheap city-cars, too. But fundamentally there is less energy storage in a charged sodium atom than a charged lithium atom so it seems sodium batteries must always be bigger and heavier than equivalent-capacity lithium batteries.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

Not exactly, they work better in cold temps for northern countries.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Would be hilarious if China figured out efficient electrolysis and powered all their stuff using hydrogen but our huge and inefficient data centers needed all of our fresh water.

Hilarious. 😒

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

if China figured out efficient electrolysis and powered all their stuff using hydrogen

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_1004

North sea windmills will be generating hydrogen from wind electricity.

[–] MrNesser@lemmy.world 26 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Sounds like america could use some freedom

[–] willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 37 minutes ago

Bring us some democracy while you're at it.

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 14 points 4 hours ago

Sounds like it's time to bring the U.S some Freedom! 😎🪖🕊️

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

Huh... I thought lithium was a liquid metal, like mercury. 🤔

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 35 minutes ago

Lithium hexafluorophosphate is the salt used, white powder at room temp.

[–] invertedspear@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago

It is not, but it is very soluble, so can be found in water.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

No... It's a soft metal, but its melting point is 180.50 °C (Mercury's is −38.8290 °C)

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