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[–] mecen@lemmy.ca 26 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (3 children)

But think about Samsung, SK Hynix and Micron shareholders

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I do think of them.

Guillotine

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[–] Peereboominc@piefed.social 15 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I just bought 2x 8gb ddr3 for €25 so I can play games from 10+ years ago.

[–] Sektor@lemmy.world 3 points 25 minutes ago (1 children)

You can try games from 20 or even 30 years ago. Plenty of bangers in any genre.

[–] Peereboominc@piefed.social 1 points 15 minutes ago

Yeah exactly! Any recommendations?

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 98 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (5 children)

The Chinese AI labs are really trying to pop the bubble, too.

How?

Well lemme ask you this. What if models 80-90% as good as Claude, with weights just thrown out there for any provider (or homelab) to host, flood the market? What if they're so dirt cheap to run, they're almost free, and don't even need Nvidia GPUs? What they need fewer resources to run with each update, instead of more?

...What if this already happened, and Big Tech is maddly lobbying to ban/censor them before people realize it, and that the "infinite scaling" thing is a big fat lie?

That's the state of things.

[–] zeroConnection@programming.dev 11 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Yep, the Chinese models are already up 10 times cheaper and now that Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google, all are increasing prices up to 10 more for models like Opus, it will make Chinese models anywhere from 50 to 100 times cheaper.

American corps. are betting that since people have their workflow already established they won't switch to other providers, but that's not the case. There's already a mass move to Chinese models.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 1 points 10 minutes ago

People keep talking about Chinese models, where are they? How do I used them instead of Claude? Are they safe?

[–] ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works 2 points 36 minutes ago

Agreed. I am not longer paying token fees as I am running QWEN 3.6 27B MTP on my 4090 GPU and it is as good and as fast as the frontier models for agentic coding.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 16 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

In a way it has actually.

Deepseek was big because not only did they publish the full model for everyone to use, but the MoE structure significantly brought down the hardware requirements in terms of processing power. As long as you have enough VRAM, you can run it on older hardware with no need for the latest Nvidia stuff.

Now they got v4 which many have found to be within a 10% margin of Claude and ChatGPT.

On top of that, China has cheapo VRAM GPUs available or soon to be released, like the MTT S80. Yeah it sucks as a Graphics card because the chip is behind, but you get 16Gb of GDDR6 for much cheaper than anything else.

But its not a conspiracy to fight China. The infinite scaling was just Nvidia solidifying themselves as the monopoly because they want all AI infrastructure to be dependent on them, which is why they still illegally export to China, despite an export ban attempting to reduce their potential competition.

Moore Threads (MTT) already has their own CUDA like system called MUSA, and I'm sure they'll be happy to put in proper hardware support for new stuff like Bf16 and FP8/4. It'll take a few years, but eventually China will catch up to the point where Nvidia gets shanked by cheaper hardware.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 35 minutes ago

Wasn't there development of a linux translation layer for CUDA workloads to run on AMD GPUs? I haven't heard about it in a while, but I'd imagine that'd help the situation.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

MTT is just a pipe dream, last I checked. But Deepseek is actively being served, in mixed FP8/FP4, on racks of Huawei accelerators.

I believe Baidu trained a model on them, too. But most training (like Deepseek’s) is still done on CUDA.


…Also, be careful equating this stuff with any kind of “consumer friendly” hardware you or I could buy. That’s less likely. The Huawei accelerators (and other local Chinese hardware experiments) are geared towards huge servers serving requests in parallel.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 43 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Hyper scaling was always about cornering the computer market, It was never about providing us some vastly new and superior service.

They should be strung up. And middle management needs to return to fucking school.

It’s like Kyle Kulinski said “I’m starting to understand re-education camps now”

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 23 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Hyper scaling was always about cornering the computer market, It was never about providing us some vastly new and superior service.

Exactly, its a method of taking tens of billions of dollars in capital and buying a near monopoly. No other providers can compete if the hyperscalers buy all of the hardware, driving up the prices while also selling the service at a loss.

Nobody working out of their garage with a cool idea for a better service can compete if they can't get hardware and have to charge double what the hyperscalers are charging because they can't burn capital for years.

It's a practice that should be considered illegal market manipulation, because that's what it i

e: extraneous 'completely'

[–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 7 points 4 hours ago

'Dumping' is considered anti-competitive behaviour in a lot of places. This sounds a lot like that.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The state of things is what if, that's true. It has not happened. :)

At some point, it should happen. Still not going to put a dent in the datacenter / dystopia rally though, since they will pick Nvidia and known brands.

[–] el_eh_chase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 7 hours ago (5 children)

Semi related note: Is there any reason not to buy the cheaper SSD brands like kingspec and team group?

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 32 minutes ago* (last edited 31 minutes ago) (1 children)

Failure rates and RMAs might be more common when manufactuerers save a buck. Samsung SSDs for example are expensive AF, but they have a good reputation for reliablility and lifespan.

Of course, being diligent about backing up your data means that you might benefit from the savings with less worry about the risk. Or you could use the cheaper SSD for something like a Steam library where you may not care as much about long term data preservation.

Word of warning though: super cheap end might end up with you getting scammed, or things like SSDs without DRAM caches, which are slower than even HDDs.

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 1 points 22 minutes ago

As a personal example of Samsung reliability, my 11 years old samsung SSD is still kicking, despite being used as a cache for my Truenas homelab for half of it. This thing will outlive me 😆

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

From what I‘ve heard it‘s all about guarantees because SSDs have a tendency to just go bad sometimes. Some SSDs are more expensive because the manufacturer will offer a replacement for up to 5 years. You can expect these manufacturers to have better quality control too. They don‘t want to replace SSDs left and right after all.

Take this with a grain of salt because I never actually had to get an SSD replaced myself. But I would only trust a manufacturer that‘s been in business with a good reputation for 5 to 10 years. Cheap storage sounds tempting but for me it‘s not worth risking to lose my data over. Yes I make backups but still.

[–] UninvestedCuriosity@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

It depends on the use case. I use teamgroup high capacity SSD drives for short load things on my homelab but they are super slow for any kind of extended writing due to a number of factors such as cache writes. I had to warranty two of 5 that died within a few weeks but it has been fine once the duds were replaced and they were easy about honoring the warranty.

Again, fine for a homelab but I wouldn't use them in my gaming rig where speed matters. For things like readimg of stored video and Linux isos, they work pretty good.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 19 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

YMMV.

You gotta look up reviews. Both buyer track records, and focused reviews that look at what controller/NAND they use.

Many SSDs are basically the same as other brands internally. A few are wonky. It just depends.

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[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 16 points 7 hours ago

Thank you China

[–] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 52 points 10 hours ago (13 children)

Crazy how USA seems unable to keep up, and it appears its best chance of maintaining hegemony is bringing China down, not improving itself. Never expected to see this shift in my lifetime.

USA is the new Russia.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 11 points 5 hours ago

Crazy how USA seems unable to keep up

The decline started by the 70s.

[–] stumu415@lemmy.zip 18 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Just look at the EV's. The CEO of Ford was shocked about the quality and innovation of the Chinese cars. He's driving a Xiaomi SU7 and refuses to give it up. At least Canada is now free of the US chains and letting Chinese EV's in. The movement is unstoppable in the rest of the world. The only place resisting innovation is the US with its current regime.

[–] SpaceMan9000@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

His current job is also as a spoke person for Chinese electric vehicles. So take that with a grain of salt.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 5 points 1 hour ago

His current job is also as a spoke person for Chinese electric vehicles

The CEO of Ford? What are you talking about?

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world 11 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It's been coming for a long time. While the rest of us have been fighting among ourselves, China stayed out of it all, and improved their country. I'm not surprised that they've emerged as a powerhouse, while we volunteered to give a lunatic the nukes.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Doesnt have anything to do with fighting with ourselves. America has never invested a lot of money into its own population and environment.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world 9 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

A big part of that is because we blow the money on endless wars, which China doesn't do.

Add that to their good-faith commitment to invest in, and substantially improve, their country, compared to our lack of investment in our own nation, which you mentioned.

I'm just saying, we shouldn't be surprised. This is nothing new to anyone who's been paying attention for a while.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

China’s been at war in Mali since 2012

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 points 52 minutes ago

They had a few hundred troops there as part of a UN peace-keeping force, who left with the rest of the UN troops in 2020 when the new government asked them to.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Yeah and the wars are created by America many times, because its huge profits for the military industrial complex and also serves as a way to increase the American presence in countries with resources like oil.

The CIA is super good at what it does actually.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 49 points 9 hours ago

Not really that crazy when you consider that the people in charge could have had a sweetheart deal with manufacturers in China, but they cut off all trade partners and all soft power channels, because they're drooling buffoons who won't accept that the US shifted to a global economy decades ago nor do they grasp how global economies work—mainly because they fired every expert under the pretense of "government waste."

All they know how to do is grift and defraud, and the chance to maintain global hegemony is long past. It's China's time, now, and they know it.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 127 points 11 hours ago (8 children)

Please, please bring the world back to sanity. I was like, literally saving up to expand my homelab when my main server went down and have been utterly slapped by prices.

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