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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 18 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

It's not social media itself, it's social media companies tolerating the intolerant.

Back in the day nazis recruited at punk shows, so when they showed up you punched them in the face and they left. Fucking easiest 2 minute conflict resolution ever and it kept them check for decades while letting teenage punks have a valid target for their rage.

Then daytime TV (Springer, Ricky lake, that shit) started bringing them on, and letting them get their message out, and they capitalized on that with early webpages and forums. Creating the same recruitment pipeline they use today, because people can't physically punch them in the face online.

The mods/admins have to do that with bans.

When they don't, it's for the same reason as Springer. They want the conflict because conflict attracts eyeballs. But all it does is help nazis recruit.

There can't be any tolerance of the intolerant.

[–] devolution@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

I know this has nothing to do with the US, but honestly Trump, Elon, and Zuck are fully responsible for this with assistance from Putin.

[–] etherphon@piefed.world 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Which was exactly my point yesterday when I got into an argument with someone about The Atlantic quoting Steve Bannon about something, without referring to him as a noted piece of garbage. These losers are getting too comfortable. There is just no room to treat those folks like normal people when they are spreading messages of division or distrust, there is no room for that hate, it is anti-social and anti-people and we need all the teamwork and human power we can use right now.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Steve Bannon

Literally the one that excelled at the online pivot.

He's basically the old white guy from American History X, except because our timeline is extra crazy, he got involved with Chinese WoW gold farms and realized online games was even easier to recruit than webpages.

Like, he's absolutely a piece of shit, but decades ago before the alcohol turned his brain completely to mush, he put in the first steps to getting us here. Not just politically but socially/culturally.

He was extremely effective, but he wouldn't have been if he was forced to do all that shit in person where he could be punched in the face.

Steve Bannon hanging out with 10 year olds on a playground sets off alarm bells, but do it from behind a WoW avatar and it doesn't stand out.

Again tho, it's not the online games, its not the in person DnD, not the punk shows, not skateparks, not social media...

Those are all just places, and if Nazis are tolerate in any places, they set up shop and start recruiting. The only way to get rid of it and to keep it gone, is constantly being aware in every space that some day a Nazi might show up, and if they do the most important thing is that they leave. If everyone does that, it works. But everyone has to do it, they can't have a safe space because they'll only use it to make everywhere else less safe.

[–] etherphon@piefed.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

YIkes, I thought he was some old fashioned nazi who was kinda social media savvy I didn't know about that gaming business, that's some real creepy shit. I suppose it is the perfect recruiting grounds for people looking for things to do or who have been disaffected, half the work is already done for them. I know forums were a huge thing for them and probably Discord now too. I just can't believe we would let nazis march around in the US today after sucking our own dicks for so long about WW2.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Bannon wasn't just spreading hate and grifting gold, he was running a multimillion Goldman's Sachs venture in third party online micro transactions:

https://www.wired.com/2008/11/ff-ige/

Can't get any crazier right?

You might recognize the CEO Bannon took over from, is the child actor that played Young Gordan Bombay in the Mighty Ducks...

And honestly, I'm like 99% sure it's what started crypto in the first place. The oligarchs got a hit of digital money they control with almost zero oversight, and a couple years later crypto started popping up.

That article is 2008, and the first Bitcoin was created January 2009.

[–] etherphon@piefed.world 2 points 4 hours ago

So this guy fled the country with his buddies after his bloated dotcom failed and to escape pedophilia accusations, he played WoW remotely and became a millionaire and came back to the country? Fucking hell. There really are two different worlds. What is it with the demented urge to become a billionaire or even millionaire? Immortality? We'll all be dirt, just enjoy your time.

The story is crazy, good read. It's unbelievable how much money is involved in online gaming or specifically for virtual merchandise, people laughed at NFTs but then they'll go pony up for some other dumb shit like that. It's criminal that Blizzard and those companies let it go on, but they were making bank as well. Antonio Hernandez is a hero even if the company was falling apart already. Gaming companies took what he was doing and incorporated it into their business models I guess. That's interesting I never really thought of the connection between digital items in early MMOs and crypto but that progression makes a lot of sense and I'm sure how can a bunch of greedy fucks resist money for nothing? It's always people who are bending the agreed upon rules to suit them who ruin the fun for everyone else, too bad that notion is celebrated in America thanks to decades of romanticizing gangsters. Fascinating read thanks!

[–] Amoxtli@thelemmy.club 1 points 4 hours ago

Social media is just an avenue. Multiculturalism is a better explanation.