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What's the difference for a real user between using X11 or Wayland nowdays? I haven't found anything useful on the internet, so I'm asking you. Internet articles on the topic (and about WMs too) seem to be advertising slop since they explain anything but the real things. Also, if anyone used the XLibre fork, I would love to hear about your experience with it.

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[–] vikingtons@lemmy.world 78 points 5 days ago

Wayland is more secure than x11 by design and more concise in scope. Notably it supports contemporary display technologies like display independent scaling, VRR, colour space (HDR) and several others.

Wayland is made by the x11 people.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 53 points 5 days ago (11 children)

As some general advice: If you don't know the specifics, just go with your Linux distribution's defaults. They probably have this figured out for you. Wayland is the more modern approach. We had a long transitioning period and some things didn't work for a while or were missing. I'd say it's ready by now. And if your distro maintainers also think it's time to supersede the old X server, it probably is.

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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

There are still things that work on X11 that don't work on Wayland but Wayland has more security, more features and is actually being developed now.

Pick your distros default, if something graphical doesn't work switching might do the trick.

Common issues with wayland are mostly related to screen sharing or lower level thingies like programmatically pressing the mouse.

Common issues with X11 is VRR, HDR, fractional scaling and multi monitor configuration.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 36 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

X11 is still server-first and needs workarounds to run locally (like startx, sx), while Wayland can just be run. Unlike X, it isolates every processes access to other windows, but with slow adoption of protocols for things like screen-sharing, video conferences, accessibility tools. The tooling is not yet there imo.

That's the main difference nowadays. Some people have issues with tearing or wrong-monitor with either of them.

Honestly, Wayland vs. X (and Flatpak) fit this perfectly: Sandboxing Cycle

[–] wylinka@szmer.info 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Security

When you use X11, you allow any program running on your computer to access anything on your screen and clipboard, collect your keystrokes and type. It's trivial to implement a keylogger, for example. Do not buy into the whole "no viruses on Linux" thing, it's not true and likely to become even less and less true, as desktop Linux is becoming popular.

Wayland at least tries to put some barriers in place against this.

[–] morto@piefed.social 35 points 5 days ago

By real user, do you mean a nontechnical user? If that's the case, the display server isn't a choice to be made by such user, but by the distro maintainers. Most people won't notice the difference, because it's mostly stuff that happens under the hood.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 22 points 4 days ago (2 children)

X11 is dead don't bother with it. The same people who wrote X11 are working on Wayland because X11 became to here maintain.

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[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 29 points 5 days ago (17 children)
  • for most people, use whatever your distro ships with and installs for you
  • choosing desktop environments still starts heated discussions – high end, it’s a choice between Gnome and KDE – mid-tier has Xfce, LXQt, Mate, Cinnamon, and more – limited hardware go for IceWM, JWM, FLWM, or similar – want to get your hands dirty? go for a tiling window manager
  • X11 is (effectively) abandonware at this point – it’s still getting security patches, but the devs left and started Wayland 17-ish years ago
  • XLibre is more political than technical – and I’ll leave it at that
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[–] Korkki@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Is it even a debate at this point? x11 is on it's way out and wayland transition is pretty much complete within the gnu/linux ecosystem. Vast majority of distros and desktop environments ship with wayland as the default and keep developing with wayland in mind, with holdouts like debian and mint that still use x11, I think. X11 is basically dinosaur software for legacy. Vast majority of end users will just take what is the default and that is Wayland and they don't even notice.

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[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 18 points 5 days ago

On most distros Wayland is trouble free and x11 is a thing of the past. X11 made some things simpler like screen share with somebody , but Linux is growing large enough that Wayland (that is secure) is the best choice. You don't want your x11 screen duplicated on a malware attackers screen etc.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Multiple screens and clipboard changes. Wayland has a lot more security built in. Keeps applications from seeing what other applications are doing.

Scaling issues, again multi monitor.

The ones that affect me: Remmina RDP sessions using muliple monitors. I have to launch it with

GDK_BACKEND=x11 remmina

Libreoffice displays terrible on any screen that is a different resolution than the one orginally launched.

It too can be forced to use x11 as a backend.

And so through the xwayland tools it really has been fairly painless even with these issues.

[–] majster@lemmy.zip 12 points 4 days ago

X11 has many features and some it will never have. Wayland has less features and it has compatibility issues for the ones it has. But if you need 4K or touchscreen then Wayland is the way to go. Default choice should probably be Wayland unless it doesn't support that one thing you care about.

[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 17 points 5 days ago (15 children)

I'm a bit surprised you didn't find much searching the web, because this is one of the most hot topics in Linux and everyone has an opinion and discussions are endless.

I use Wayland for years by now and it improved vastly during that time. One of the advantages over X11 I appreciate is the better handling of multiple monitors, with different resolution, refreshrate and VRR in effect. This was simply not possible in X11 in this form. I like its more secure by design, in relation to keyboard input. X11 can read all keyboard input by any application at any time. Wayland works different here, but for the time being I enabled X11 compatibility for this in KDE, until a all applications support Wayland fully.

Think twice before abandoning X11. Wayland breaks everything! is more of an anti Wayland posting, but its good to have a view from all angles. So I post it here.

Have in mind that Wayland improved in recent years drastically. Searching the web is either full of Ai nonsense or old content about the old state of Wayland. Also it depends which desktop environment you are using, because some are better at Wayland than others; notably KDE is on the front regarding Wayland. So even if some Wayland features are already developed, does not mean that all desktop environments supports them already.

[–] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 28 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I’m a bit surprised you didn’t find much searching the web, because this is one of the most hot topics in Linux and everyone has an opinion and discussions are endless.

it's 2026. OP probably only found useless AI slop articles after a couple searches before getting discouraged and asking here

[–] Undaunted@feddit.org 13 points 5 days ago

You can't imagine how sad your comment makes me feel.

[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 days ago

I realized this later in my reply too and answered that to myself. Should have read it in full before pressing the reply button, as my thoughts changed a bit during a research phase. I realized its Ai bullshit all over the place when doing research to give links.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Jesus, there's so much FUD in that gist. A lot of information out of date and emotional tone to the brim. Makes you wonder who's putting that much time and effort to support an outdated system like x11 and what they gain from that.

The reality is that the main desktop managers, and by extension the most popular distros are abandoning x11, so that's just a silly hill to die on.

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[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I still struggle with running GUI programs as root and cutting & pasting between windows in Wayland. Those are the big things holding me back from switching completely.

[–] pixeldaemon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So you literally can not copy+paste something between different apps?

[–] fhein@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

I think they're saying that it happens when you run one app as root, then you can't copy-paste to other apps. It's not a problem when running graphical apps as your normal user account.

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 days ago

I don't think for tue average user it really matters much. If you've got multiple screens of different sizes or refresh rates, Wayland is the way to go. If you've got multiple identical screens that you want to treat as a single big screen, X11 is perfect for that.

I recently switched and I'm happy with how it runs. Even on Nvidia.

[–] bad1080@piefed.social 13 points 5 days ago

one thing i noticed in trying both is x11 using more cpu in the same scenario (playing a youtube video, same resolution) and even the DP adapter i am using getting warmer when on x11 compared to wayland. in this scenario the difference wasn't much despite being roughly double (~2.5W compared to ~4.5W in x11). idk how that scales in other scenarios.

[–] polle@feddit.org 4 points 4 days ago

If you use a laptop with high dpi and a docking station with a screen with another resolution. Wayland is able to hotplug you running session.

[–] diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 4 days ago

If you use a feature complete Wayland compositor and compare it to equivalents (RIP velox), then Wayland basically offers more consistent pen and multitouch support and stuff, while being faster.

There's no 2D acceleration in Wayland and that's by design, it's made for new GPUs that don't have 2D anyway anymore. Programs either draw pixels or start up 3D.

XLibre is trying the opposite and is actually merging various 2D drivers for old and niche hardware, like ct65550 as found in the Toshiba Libretto 50ct among others. Most of these originate from distribution forks (NetBSD in this case). T2 Linux also maintains a patch to bring back lots of more ancient 2D drivers that were removed in 2012.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 12 points 5 days ago

One thing that's annoying in Wayland is new window placement where app can't control it at all*. Wayland would place it on a screen it wants. This gets hugely annoying when you have more than one monitor and/or virtual desktops and you'd want to restore billion of browser windows, for example.

  • A solution is being worked on, luckily
[–] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Every time I setup my desktop up for Wayland I always go back to X11, I find Wayland sluggish compared to X11 and don’t have the time nor energy to troubleshoot applications that had no issues working on X11.

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[–] mech@feddit.org 9 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Some things still don't work on Wayland.
(Like screen sharing with Anydesk, as an example I ran into yesterday)
But at this point, I just replace the thing that still requires X11 with an alternative, or find a different solution.
X11 is dead tech. Wayland has its own issues, but it's better than X11 in almost every way now, actively maintained, and it's the current standard.

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[–] delcaran@feddit.it 9 points 5 days ago (4 children)

On my 2014 PC I'm using Fedora 44 with KDE, which defaults to Wayland: not problems whatsoever, but some applications say "Wayland support is experimental, beware".

I switched to X11 after a suggestion to debug some issues with a game. The issues was not fixed, all the other applications I've tried are still working flawlessly. PLUS the KDE night light feature is working (was not in Wayland). So I stayed with X11.

On my wife MacBook (2015) I installed Kinoite, defaults to Wayland. Everything works, but Rustdesk renders VERY small. I have not tried X11 on that, and will not try it.

Try both with all your applications and setups and choose the smoother experience. Make security a secondary priority: if it was the first you have less attack surface sticking to terminal only.

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[–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

As someone who has used X11 and Wayland, it doesn't matter for the typical user. If you, like me, have a penchant for some smaller desktop environments like XFCE or window managers, you will be stuck with X11, but many are already working on porting to Wayland.

Couple edge cases for gaming, namely screen tearing on some X11 configurations and certain Nvidia hardware running into issues on Wayland. For multi-monitor or high DPI users, Wayland handles per-monitor DPI and fractional scaling far better than X11. Maybe a couple more edge use cases for remoting into the desktop, but Wayland support is also improving quickly on that end. In any case, Wayland is by design more secure than X11.

[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I thought I’d never have to care about X11 or Wayland if I was a typical user. I thought it was just a debate for really passionate Linux user.

I turned out to be false since the reason I had bad playback on my HTPC, was the fact that Wayland was preventing the refresh rate of my TV to be adjusted to the content.

Switching to a distro using X11 solved the issue and apparently Wayland doesn’t plan on changing anything about this issue.

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[–] fozid@feddit.uk 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, on a running system with average hardware, the average user won't notice any difference. Depending on your de/wm of choice on x11, you may have to swap to something similar but different, but there it. Depending on what you used, something will require different solutions, like screenshots, but 90+% of stuff, there is no difference.

[–] edinbruh@feddit.it 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I'd like to chime in on the "average hardware" claim.

The idea that Wayland is more demanding to run than X11 is a misconception.

Mutter (Gnome's compositor) and kwin (KDE's compositor) are more demanding than xorg plus a simple window manager. Usually that's what people used to compare when they said that Wayland is demanding, and now they just keep repeating it.

In actuality, the Wayland protocol is more efficient by nature. So a light Wayland compositor (e.g. labwc) will run better on limited hardware, than a light X11 window manager.

Tho, Wayland requires proper EGL support, which you might not have on some old exotic hardware (e.g. a Tegra 2/3/4 tablet).

The example I usually make is:

  • Dig up an old intel atom netbook (it's old and
  • Try using regular lxqt on x11
  • Now try lxqt on labwc
  • See which one you'd rather use
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