this post was submitted on 21 Mar 2024
129 points (86.9% liked)

Technology

59534 readers
3143 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
all 48 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 42 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I hope he experiments on him self and it goes horribly wrong

[–] redfox@infosec.pub 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ha, You don't think that's already happened?

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 21 points 8 months ago

Nah, I think his brain damage is from all the K he’s zooted out on

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

Elon isn't even brave enough to go up in one of his own rockets.

[–] GoosLife@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

At the same time, I feel like we shouldn't let that happen because imagine if he actually succeeds? And then we just have immortal crackhead Lex Luthor with a hallucinating ChatGPT whispering further delusions directly into his brain. That can't be good for any of us.

[–] DrCake@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago

Brain chips from the people who “move fast and break things”. This can only end well.

[–] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 22 points 8 months ago (3 children)

If definitely seems dystopian, but hopefully this ends up helping some people who are quadriplegic.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

There’s a shit ton of people I’d trust more with this work than Elon

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Absolutely. However through his maniacal adventures he may find where this technology should NOT go to progress.

[–] elshandra@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago

Hopefully the people elon's persuading to do this work are better aligned.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

It will for sure.

In the short term.

The problem is the implants can and very likely will cause very serious complications in the long term.

My SO is a neurologist who visibly cringes wherever I mention brain implants as we discuss emerging tech (my wheelhouse).

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 22 points 8 months ago

If anyone is dumb enough to put anything from that dude into their head, that brain was already damaged!

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Your brain would have to be damaged already to agree to this.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Maybe we should find prison volunteers. Get us some Lawnmower Man shit

[–] Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

He's obviously desperately trying to revive the image of being a genius again. But everybody knows what kind of charlatan he is.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

I think he still has millions of worshippers out there.

[–] erwan@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

It's too bad, if he stayed off Twitter (not just not buying it but not twitt either) people who still believe he's a genius.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 15 points 8 months ago

Oh just want we need, a hive mind of morons. Together they may be able to reach average

[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

He should grow balls and be the first person to have neurolink implanted in his brain.

[–] Guyonthecouc@lemm.ee 12 points 8 months ago

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

[–] blunderworld@lemmy.ca 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Why the fuck would anyone want this?

[–] elrik@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Advertisers would absolutely love to augment your reality with ads or even just the ability to accurately confirm you've actually watched a traditional ad along with how you "felt" about it.

At that point people would absolutely sign up for free implants so they can access ad supported services that may otherwise become unaffordable within a society further strip mined of wealth by the then trillionaire class.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Knowing advertisers, at least here in the US, they would bypass confirming you watched ads by just beaming them straight to your implant and making it impossible to get rid of the ads.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

It's not the advertisers doing that, it's the publishers.

The advertiser has no real say in how a publisher decides to pimp their audience other than lining up with cash on hand like an eternally and unhealthily addicted John.

In fact, on the advertiser side it's mostly a prisoner's dilemma driving their addiction, pushed to spend money on poorly converting and too wide channels out of fear that if they don't and their competitors do that they'll lose market share.

Advertisers suck for a variety of other reasons, but let's not turn a blind eye to the publisher greed either.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Advertisers would absolutely love to augment your reality with ads or even just the ability to accurately confirm you've actually watched a traditional ad along with how you "felt" about it.

Your reality is already augmented with ads most places you look, and advertisers already do have significant ability to accurately identify how a sample feels about the ads.

Most don't bother because they don't actually care, and because it's easier and cheaper to just run an ad mix self-optimizing around sales results or conversions than to try and over-engineer the advertising impact.

Anyone betting on neural implants to make money because of 'advertising' is going to lose a lot of money themselves.

[–] elrik@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You may be underestimating the role of targeting in conversion optimization, and I'm not sure how you could better target individuals than based on what they're thinking at any given moment (literally).

For instance, it's not hard to imagine a future where gen-ai inserts product placement for a drug like ozempic into your favorite show, just for your view, while you're actively paying attention, even though you didn't realize at that moment you're still a bit upset about a negative comment someone made about your weight earlier that day. An advertiser didn't have to select this scenario, but instead you were targeted by an ML algorithm at that moment based on brain activity correlated with others who ultimately were successfully nudged to have a conversation with their doctor about their weight. Simultaneously, another ML optimized the product placement generation to minimize viewer disgust while maximizing its visibility. Your behavior becomes immediate feedback to further optimize these algorithms, as you're tracked for how much attention you paid to the placement, what was your emotional state before and after, did you schedule an appointment with your doctor over the next 3 days, were you prescribed ozempic, etc.

That is just a simple example which isn't that far removed from advertising approaches today. I'm certain there are plenty of clever techniques to turn your thoughts and perceptions into conversions far more effectively once advertisers have real-time access to your brain.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

What do you think the install base for neural implants is going to be such that Madison Ave is going to bend over backwards to rework multiple ad platforms to support it.

You are overestimating the industry.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Why would anyone want the cybertruck? Yet at present, it'll take them over a year to clear their backlog.

Some people are just dumb - that applies doubly for those that love Musk because he speaks the ~~Nazi conspiracism~~ Truth™.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

The general technology seems very useful for people with severe disabilities.

Even just being able to "speak" or move in a wheelchair is something that millions of people in the world can't do.

Of course the money will be in mass implanting this on the general public, for that I'm not sure they will manage to convince me

[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago

Not as many as those still using Twitter.

[–] Brewchin@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

None. And any that were damaged by it were pedo guys and it never happened.

[–] SakuraTribeScout@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

None, the people who volunteer, or worse pay for this, already have brain damage!

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 3 points 8 months ago

Do we count those as negative numbers when the implants help them recover?

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Sacrifice yourselfers for the eternal future Emperor God Elontron Musk.

He will insert his X in all of our hearts.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Easy...all tests must be done to him before any other humans.

[–] HelloHotel@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

C-mon! If the linux team, microsoft, and apple eat their own dog food, why cant he?

[–] xxd@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Finally the plot of the movie "Upgrade" can become a reality

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

particular individual

[–] Shouted@programming.dev 4 points 8 months ago

Well it’ll only be fully consenting brains.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I can think of one already.

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 2 points 8 months ago

I’m not entirely convinced that The Boer’s own brain isn’t already damaged

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

All of them, if Musk is heading it.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 1 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Of all Elon Musk’s exploits — the Tesla cars, the SpaceX rockets, the Twitter takeover, the plans to colonize Mars — his secretive brain chip company Neuralink may be the most dangerous.

Former Neuralink employees as well as experts in the field have alleged that the company pushed for an unnecessarily invasive, potentially dangerous approach to the implants that can damage the brain (and apparently has done so in animal test subjects) to advance Musk’s goal of merging with AI.

The letter warned that “AI systems with human-competitive intelligence can pose profound risks to society and humanity” and went on to ask: “Should we develop nonhuman minds that might eventually outnumber, outsmart, obsolete and replace us?

If the intravascular approach can restore key functioning to paralyzed patients, and also avoids some of the safety risks that come with crossing the blood-brain barrier, such as inflammation and scar tissue buildup in the brain, why opt for something more invasive than necessary?

Which perhaps helps make sense of the company’s dual mission: to “create a generalized brain interface to restore autonomy to those with unmet medical needs today and unlock human potential tomorrow.”

Watanabe believes Neuralink prioritized maximizing bandwidth because that serves Musk’s goal of creating a generalized BCI that lets us merge with AI and develop all sorts of new capacities.


The original article contains 3,312 words, the summary contains 220 words. Saved 93%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[–] Eyelessoozeguy@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

How many people need ai implants before we get a full on bulterian jihad?