Allero

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[–] Allero@lemmy.today -5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

No, I've put "war as a necessity" group separate from "anti-war".

Through the virtue of being Russo-Ukrainian (and currently residing in Russia) I constantly speak to people of very wide backgrounds, and I listen to conversations around.

There are people who are generally speaking of exterminating Ukraine, putting Z signs on the vehicles etc., but there aren't that many of them.

There are some that want to restore "Slavic world", and many more that talk about "saving Russia", which is certainly imperialist and serving Putin's agenda, but not aimed at exterminating Ukrainians per se (and having close Ukrainian roots and many relatives under rocket strikes, I am very sensitive to the narrative of destroying culture or people, my culture and my people, so I notice when it happens).

And there is a majority of people I know, people that are opposed to war, some mildly and mostly out of care for their families, some strongly and coming from something more. Most of them have something to lose, and even those who previously protested now can't risk that, because regime got way more brutal. They literally don't know what to do. I don't know what to do while my close ones are in danger.

Colonial settlers? Latvian Russians are the kids and grandkids of those who moved there back when this was seen as yet another region. These people never chose to be born in Latvia, but so is their home, and they happen to be Russians. People of any ethnicity in any country should have access to their culture; this is one of the basic rights everyone should have. No exceptions.

As you can guess from previous paragraphs, I speak Russian fluently as well, только при этом я здесь живу по сей день и могу оценить, как дела обстоят на самом деле и что думают обычные люди. Местами в регионах это совпадает с зарисовками, опубликованными Медузой, но в целом я вижу больше разговоров и об украинцах, хотя очень часто исподтишка, невзначай, как вот про "украинских ребят" из той же зарисовки. It's hard to openly protest and voice open dissent, though.

On the sources: 1.Clearly states that the only relevant result is that Russians do indeed hide their dissent, and estimates may be wrong even when asking indirectly, and are certainly skewed with direct answers. 2.Quite an interesting read, though there's mainly one true and important takeaway: many Russians, especially in the small regions that have always lived a slow life, face inability to protest it openly, end up growing frustrated and escape long discussions of the war. This is commonly known as "getting tired" of it, but there is a deeper level to it. 3.Sources info from article 1 and misinterprets it.

The problem is, the research you provided only confirms that there is an issue of hiding true opinions, without definitively stating wide support. A list method employed not only doesn't guarantee honest answers (just makes them more likely), it also has plenty of inaccuracies of its own, as it brings about many contentious things people could agree or disagree on.

There's one thing we have in common - we want this war to end. You, probably for overall peace in the world, me, because my close ones are in danger, hiding from mobilization, living with intermittent electricity, not knowing what tomorrow is gonna bring, and also for global peace, of course. But seeing how it unfolds in Russia, how russophobia channels and feeds into Russian nationalism - something that can easily be weaponized - I really don't think this is the answer. Russians the people are truly in the hard spot right now, they don't need someone to tell them to go figure this out, and if there is a way to support any anti-war effort inside Russia, this will go a much longer way than animosity and rejection based on where they happen to be.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today -3 points 8 months ago

Virtue signaling and spreading hate as a way to distance yourself has truly never led to something good.

And with the direction US and EU are taking recently, I have more sad reasons to believe your words are true. Let's hope they're not.

Thanks for your input.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 8 months ago (5 children)

True, but it seems like they were mostly united by just having Russian e-mail domains. Some also worked on support for Baikal CPUs, but they are essentially a failed product now.

Also, the personal response of Linus is a clear F*** you to Russians in particular, so he kinda cleared this out, at least on the level of "I don't give a damn about Russians whatsoever, they're evil"

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, arguing that everyone disagreeing is a paid Russian troll is a cherry on top.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 8 months ago

Agreed with you!

[–] Allero@lemmy.today -5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (71 children)

So, basically it's enough to say "Fuck Russia, Fuck Russians" here and it gains you massive support.

Seriously?

First, how does this fuck Russia the state?

Second, what everyday Russians have to do with it? What justifies sneaking in hate messages to a diverse ethnic group with no single ideology?

Saying "Fuck Russians" is about the same as "Fuck Jews" because Israel has done bad things. This is not okay.

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