There's pretty clearly a big difference between saying we cannot ally with the DNC and must organize outside of that, vs saying cooperation itself is bad and we should organize on our own.
Cowbee
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The Hungarian counter-revolution was led by fascists. They let Nazis out of prison, and were lynching Jewish people and communists. They were armed and trained by MI6, and had connections to the CIA at minimum. Had the fascists succeeded, Hungary would have seen the same devastation it ended up seeing in the 90s when the Soviet Union dissolved, a sharp fall in life expectancy, massive wealth disparity, huge increases in drug abuse and prostitution, huge spikes in homelessness and poverty.
To put it in other terms, imagine if the January 6th rioters started lynching officials, and were backed by a foreign power.
We want unity, around correct political lines. The point of agitprop is to get people talking and coming to a consensus on the correct line to follow.
Social democracy is capitalism with safety nets, I mean socialism. Rather than private ownership being principle, ie covering the large firms and key industries with the state dominated by capitalists, public ownership should be principle and the working class should dominate the state.
Did he? He gets walked off by civilians in the tank man video, was there confirmation of that happening?
The way people voted or not did not cause the mess the US Empire is in, capitalism did, as well as it's evolution into imperialism and now the decay of imperialism. This is just standard leftism.
The problem isn't democracy, it's democracy under capitalism, and the idea that we can actually transition to socialism via electoralist means.
You're asking a question with a loaded premise, no system is immune to problems like corruption. At the same time, the various systems of socialist democracy have been far better than capitalist democracy, and the reasoning common to all is that the working class is in control, rather than capitalists. Structure varies from state to state, but having a system where the input and direction of the working class is paramount is far superior to capitalist democracy.
In capitalism, it's democracy for the capitalists, dictatorship for the workers, in socialism it's democracy for the workers, dictatorship for the capitalists.
There's a lot of research and reading you can do on how socialist states function, and a lot we can learn from them.
There's no actual evidence that the DNC treats leftists any differently. Both parties did the Red Scare, both parties root out communists, both parties bomb and sanction socialist countries.
Socialist democracy. The political structure is a way to reinforce the economic base, so by moving onto socialism, the working class is in control of the state. The issue isn't with voting, period, but the idea that we can escape capitalism just by doing so.
The people who "love every country that calls itself communist, or voices opposition to the US" don't really exist. MLMs that support Gonzalo and Pol Pot are fringe, and moreover don't support China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc. When I say "communists support," I am aware that there are outliers, but the idea that people on Lemmy in any significant number have views akin to what's described here is false.
I touch grass for one full day and miss this thread? Oh well...