FlowVoid

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[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

I'm not sure what you mean.

You seem to be starting with the assumption that market prices should reflect fundamentals, and questioning why they don't. But why do you assume that?

"In the short-run, the stock market is a voting machine. But in the long-run, it is a weighing machine."

You can't ignore or eliminate either machine.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

I don't care if the market is under responsive to fundamentals. That just means some investors are exercising poor judgment by paying too much attention to irrelevant factors. It also gives an opportunity to investors with better judgment.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

I'm sure that Musk hopes that "people will be pushed to buy" his products.

But so far, that plan isn't working. In fact it's backfiring, people are running away from his products.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (4 children)

If you're a value investor then you believe that the actual value of a company depends on its current and future earnings and the market price will tend towards the actual value in the long run.

But naturally there are other factors that also influence the market price. In fact, the whole point of value investing is to find stocks that are "underpriced". For various reasons, they are currently priced at a discount to their actual value. Those are the stocks you should buy, and you should expect their price to increase.

Conversely, for various reasons some stocks are "overpriced", like Tesla. You should not buy those, because you expect their price to decrease in the long run.

A corollary is that value investors expect seemingly irrational price movements like we see with Tesla. If share prices perfectly reflected fundamentals, then it would be impossible to find a "good deal".

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago (7 children)

Value investors don't invest in Tesla, so you should not expect its share price to reflect fundamentals.

But they do invest in stocks like Coca Cola and American Express, so you should expect the share prices of those companies to better reflect fundamentals.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

No, you base company value on its current and future earnings.

All that government influence is useless if people stop buying your products. And it turns out lots of people don't want to buy products associated with Musk.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

It's bad because downward trends are bad, especially when the economy is growing.

Look at it this way: suppose you have a job with a decent salary. Your supervisor calls you in and says, "Well, looks like we're going to cut your pay next year". You ask, "Is the company in trouble? Is everyone getting a pay cut?" And they answer, "No, the company is growing. Most people are getting raises. Not you, though."

That's a bad sign.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago (9 children)

Value investing isn't dead. There are tons of value investors, and they aren't the ones buying Tesla.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Only if they hosted someone who distributed the app or update. Which nobody is doing.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The law actually bans "providing internet hosting services to enable the distribution, maintenance, or updating of such foreign adversary controlled application for users within the land or maritime borders of the United States."

If Google and Apple aren't distributing, maintaining, or updating TikTok then it follows that nobody is providing internet hosting services enabling distribution, maintenance, or updating of TikTok.