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Oh for sure. It's going to be what ultimately makes or breaks this as a platform. You can't force a userbase to interact, but as OP states, like many before them, for some people there's not going to be much going on here. For people that want to at least be mildly active participants though, I haven't had this much fun since forums were the big thing. I just imagine since that was a decent while ago now that either those of us old enough to have enjoyed them are rusty at it, and the yoots are too young to have seen how it used to work.

not a lot of people even bother opening posts

I'm a bit inclined to agree with this. I try to do the equivalent of the XKCD hover text, where you have to click through to get some of the good stuff. If you aren't clicking through to the comments, you're going to miss a lot of good stuff. Photo sets, photography tips, stories, fun facts. I try not to have the pic and title be the whole thing. But I'll have 100 upvotes on the post pic, and maybe 10 on any bonus pics inside.

With some news posts, they feel like a RSS feed. Just a link to an article and nothing else. I may read it or I may not. There's no initial comment or question to interact with. I don't even know if it's a bot posting or not that way. If all you offer is a Reuters link, I could have just gone to Reuters and gotten the headline myself. I feel these posts have little value until they start collecting comments.

“Yes I agree, nothing to add”

This is a common response I get when I try to get people to comment more. There can still be value to add to something like this though. Why do you agree? Did you agree before you read the post/comment? Do you have any caveats to your agreement? If you haven't always agreed, what changed your mind? What part of what they said, or the chart/pic/stat they shared really stood out or was unexpected? You may agree, but you're still a different person with a different background and different adjacent ideas.

Example from today: Pic of flying owl. Comment was basically I like all these recent pics of flying owls. On the surface, not the deepest comment ever. Buuuuuut, someone took the time to respond to a post, so I know they liked it enough to make effort. Makes me feel good knowing I motivated someone enough to respond, keeps me motivated to post again. I also learned that a specific type of content really got them interested. I know to look for more of it. Then I took the time to respond in kind, because their effort deserves recognition. I said I'm glad you're enjoying it. I also said that even though I see hundreds of owl pics every week, that I was still surprised by something I saw in one of the recent photos, so that gives them or anyone else reading the response something to go back and look at. They might not have noticed the unique thing about the photo the first time.

Example going the other way: Maori rights in New Zealand. You can't get much further from NZ than where I am. I know basically nothing about it. This topic really caught my attention though. I read the article to see what was going on, and I thought I understood the basics of it. I commented and said, hey, I read this, and this is my understanding. Am I correct in my understanding or am I missing some significant parts of the story not in this article? If so, can someone explain it or point me in the direction of some more reading? So I know nothing, but I showed them the story was making me interested in something they shared. Anyone familiar with NZ can chime in to talk to me. I hopefully get more things to talk about from that, and we have some conversation. I don't have to know anything, I just show interest in the topic, and in interacting with someone.

Not every interaction is going to result in more upvotes, comments, or conversation, but if nobody is going to be willing to make the first move, it's gonna be boring. We're not big enough for the 1% rule (1% creators, 9% commenters, 90% lurkers) to carry us. It kills the creators having to force the momentum all the time, and if you disagree/agree too much with the small pool of comments, you're going to say this place is boring. We need to participate, we need to show our individual personalities, and we need to interact. That's the "social" part of social media. Have fun with it!

For me, the upvotes are ok. I use them more to gauge overall traffic. I have an idea the typical number of votes things will get, and I can see what deviates to see what is a hit, what's typical, and what isn't resonating. But without comments, there's no "why" anything is good or bad. I'm not really any better off than before to give you what you want. I can take a guess, but you could have also taken a moment to tell me. It doesn't tell me everyone's opinion, but it gives another things for the people that do vote to either add upvotes to that comment or ignore it.

Also, as someone providing the content, it's nice to have an interaction, even if it's minimal. Creating posts can eat up a lot of time, and I'm doing it to talk to you all. If nobody stops by to even say, yo, nice work, or whatever, even if I have a lot of upvotes, it still feels like I'm not talking to anyone. It feels like a chore. But if I get one person that says, hey, seeing this really made my morning, now I feel awesome and I want to post more.

A lot of focus is put onto posting, but I like to encourage commenters. I'll post and respond all day, but if nobody is interacting, it's going to stay quiet. Put the quiet to your advantage by doing things like:

If you like an image, say what you like about it. Lately, I've been having people talk about how they really have been enjoying dawn/dusk pictures, so I've been collecting more of that so I can post what people are in the mood for. It gives me good feedback, it gives people a chance to agree or disagree with you, and you got to participate.

Do you ask anyone any question? Take advantage of the relative quiet. With not having a million comments on every post, I have plenty of time to give you really detailed answers. I got asked how to differentiate between 2 animals yesterday, and I had time to make a nice visual guide, highlighting key differences and giving multiple visual examples of potential variations while still simplifying the process of identification. If there's a million people talking like on Reddit, it's hard to give people that much attention, but here it's easy. I pretty much take time to respond to every comment.

Don't be afraid to go off topic. Rules seem to be looser in many communities because of the low post count. This week, I posted something from a country with a different language, and I ended up having 3 days of conversation with a native speaker who filled me in on tons of subtleties of the language pertaining to our niche topic. I got to learn so much, and they got to learn a few things about English.

I feel you have to do something to have a good time here, but it needn't be to post multiple things every day, but it's more than just up or downvoting something like you can get away with on Reddit. We're too small for you to have a free ride. But make someone laugh. Let them know that you liked their post with a short comment. If you don't like it, say hey, do you have any content on such and such instead. Make a post saying, hey, what's your thoughts on this? It doesn't need to be something groundbreaking or insightful, you just need to give a sign of life so we know you're here, and one of us will probably talk back to you.

Interact enough like that, and you may find what you enjoy doing, if that turns out to be posting, or you become the resident expert on a topic even if you're not an expert, being a serial commenter, or whatever it may be. It's a great opportunity if you make it one because it is so easy to get attention here if you try.

I'm not typically a social person, but being here has let me talk about what I want, when I want, and somebody will listen to it, and I can ask about things I want to know and get answers. There's much less shouting into the void like at Reddit. Play Lemmy to its strengths and you will find enjoyment. And if you don't like it, go to where you're happy. Nobody's going to hate you if you split time between here and Reddit.

A few apps have multi-community support where you can group whatever you want, how you want, in one stream. I'm using Summit, but I feel a few other of the bigger apps support it now. I group the AskLemmys, tv/movie communities and different art communities into groups so I can view by category.

Wow, this guy's voting record and the bill's he's sponsored read exactly how you'd imagine too.

He was in the Air Force 30 years, was a commercial pilot, and a cop, and none of those jobs ever seemed to manage to teach him to manage the mildest level of stress, judging by his past news stories. What a delicate individual.

Goodbye 9anime. We've had a lot of great times together.

I await the coming of 10anime.

This year feels especially brutal for media liberation. 😮‍💨

Totally agree with you. I feel bad for the young people that didn't get to experience the Internet before business started to take it seriously. The Fediverse is a nice taste of those days though!

I'm not sure what to make of your "helped me get through feeling much like OP".

I've talked extensively with Blaze and others on the Fedigrow community about pretty much your exact set of bullet points over the past few months and the shine started to wear off Lemmy for a bit. You're far from alone in feeling how you described in your post, as can be seen in most of the replies here.

I think it's just taking a step back and being able to appreciate what we do have. We haven't turned into some complete right/left hellhole, the top posts everyday add up to thousands of comments, we have some quality content providers, and some really fun commenters. I certainly wouldn't be ashamed to show someone my Lemmy feed.

It's good that you still have the drive to want to keep improving things around here in the ways you feel comfortable contributing to. Many initial hurdles to getting on Lemmy feel resolved, and so many in apps are equal to the Reddit apps for most use cases. Many initial accounts were probably from people trying to figure things out. I know I had like 5 accounts and only really use 1 now.

I think we've just hit a plateau for now. My personal feeling is working on the culture is our best way forward to be different than Reddit and to pick up more people looking to escape the toxicity. The time to set our tolerance levels for certain behaviors is now before we get too big to reign it in. We're a pretty good group now, and I hope it stays this way or gets a little better like last summer.

I'm glad when I see people speak up like this though. It makes us all reflect on the guys and bad we see here and to think about where we stand ourselves in all of it.

You and the Fedigrow crew helped me get through feeling much like OP a while back. I think that was a really good idea, because it is tough and emotional at times doing what we do. It can be easy to feel alone when you put yourself out there every day and feel like nobody is around or like you're doing something wrong and people are falling off.

I never set out to be anybody here, but I was done with Reddit, and wanted to keep something that made me smile continue on, so I just sucked it up and did what needed to be done. You guys make it worth it, and as long as the people that do show up are having a good time, I'll do my part to keep the party going. I get old, pre commercialized web vibes from Lemmy, so I'm gonna stick it out here as long as I can, because this is the kind of thing you don't just get anywhere anymore.

Appreciate the shout out as always! We have a great set of people here, and we should all be happy with this place we've built together, even if it's still a humble, cozy place. I feel we have organic growth, and it will come in waves as Lemmy builds and improves. Just keep doing what we're doing and we'll be good!

I feel it is pretty stable here. I post every day, and it's been a tad slower lately, much like I believe Blaze said, feels due to people going away for trips. Weekends are a decent bit slower, where usually they have been busy. That's where I notice it the most. My subs are lower than at the start of the year, but they're still going up slow but steady. Interactions are still steady, which is my main concern. As you've mentioned, people want to see that interaction. I don't want to say my content is useless, because people don't need owl pics and animal rescue facts every day, but I typically get 100+ likes per post, and a handful of comments.

The key I feel though, is I have the same people coming in regularly every day, or every other day, and they are also participating. They make the place look alive more than me just throwing things out there. But that is a specific thing I work on, as much as the post content itself. When people come and make comments, I give them my full attention. I talk back to them, I laugh at their jokes and puns, I take time to answer their questions, I pay attention to what content they like or don't like, how I post links. I treat them like they were clients. And now in return, they see that the community is a fun place to hang, and they come back regularly, even though I'm not giving them anything they couldn't find, but I am adding value to their days. I make them smile, I make them feel like their effort commenting matters, I make them feel like they motivate me to keep posting (because they do!), and I teach them about things they never expected to care about.

But it's a lot of hard work! I try not to think about the time I put into this just for fun. Many of us have been here before the API exodus or before and have put in hours posting to nobody or a dozen people until we've built up momentum. Most people won't even upvote, let alone comment or post, so it's going to come in waves building up this place. You're still in the wilderness here. We're still pretty much the first wave of Fediverse settlers. We're here while it is rough, setting the foundations of what will hopefully come, keeping us from fading to nothing. I don't think new people appreciate that point. It's not like 25% of Reddit broke off and came here with all the posters and the audience, we're starting from scratch. I think what we have is amazing for a bunch of nobodies with no corporate cash. We're all volunteers, building the social media we want to have. We should be proud of it, no matter what stage it's at.

Moderation is an area I feel could be stronger. Most threads are pretty good, but some could use a bit more reigning in. Part of the problem I see with that though, is the vocal part of the community is already hating on "heavy handed mods", and you missed all the trashing of Beehaw for doing what I considered to be appropriate moderation. The Fed is full of a pretty diverse group of people. I talk to people from multiple countries, and the amount of LGBT I've gotten to get insight from has been amazing. It's really helped me grow in my understanding of some things just being around all these people. But we need to ensure everyone is treated equally and respectfully, and there are many that want to bring Reddit behavior over here, and it's up to the mods and commenters to decide if that's what we want or not. I don't want it, but many see no issue. I'm glad when people comment on it, because if people just accept it without speaking up, no one will know.

There is a lot of good here, and even with 50k users, there's going to be much more mid and crap than gold, but it's here. Your comments look good, and you seem to stick to things you enjoy and avoid some that drag you down, and it's important to notice your own behavior if you click stuff that is going to annoy you. I hit delete on a lot of comments when I wade into some of these topics. Some stuff I just don't want to get involved in, especially as someone that is at least somewhat "known" around here now and is too lazy to make an alt. But I remind myself I'm here to have fun, and if I want news without the potential drama, I'll leave here and go to AP or whatever. I'd hope posters would make stuff to help you have a good time, but it's our job to cultivate our own experience ultimately.

I could go on forever talking about this stuff, but I'll stop for now. Just give it time and explore more, and since you seem to comment, keep doing that. It's the best thing for this place. Post, comment, give feedback, repeat.