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outhouseperilous
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Youre right, i dont actually know anything. Enlighten me, wise master.
Not being a coward.
not sure there is a point deciding terms
K, bye.
could be defined as intelligent
Okay but what are some useful definitions for us to use here? I could argue a pencil is intelligent if i can play with terms enough.
Id like to have a couple, because it's such a broad topic. Give them different names.
opinions
The capacity to be wrong is not what matters; garbage in garbage out. Lets focus on why it's wrong, how it gets there.
llm models or chatbots
Arent all modern chatbots based on llm's?
subjective conscious
Conscious. Define. Seems like it's gonna come up a lot and its a very slippery word, repurposed from an entirely different context.
common sense is information held uncritically
Okay! I can work with that.
language is fluid and messy
Yeah, but in common use it matters. Not necessarily that they stick to original uses, but the political implications and etymology of new uses should be scrutinized, because it does shape thought, especially for NT's.
But i recognize that it's messy. that's why we're defining terms.
Thats really disappointing. At least i can still play it on retrodeck.
Eliza with an api call is intelligence, then?
opinions
Llm's cannot do that. Tell me your basic understanding of how the technology works.
common sense
What do you mean when we say this? Lets define terms here.
computer=rational
Traditional code, yes. For some definitions of rational. This is the way to make it not be that.
throwing around a lot if assumptions
No, i understand things. I know the idea is foreign to you, but i do have some relevant domain knowledge. I have actually looked at the underlying technology, i have a basic understanding of math and computer science and philosophy of mind, and any of the three, separately, expose this as bullshit.
you can learn a lot from "ai"!
You can learn a lot from the bible, reading tea leaves, or listening to your friend's schizophrenic uncle when he's off his meds and into your friend's mushrooms, too.
Edit: i would genuinely love to argue philosophy and 'what is intelligence', but none of the advocates of this technology are smart enough to even try to understand what that is, much less articulate and argue the concept.
It's all just 'nuh uh! It's totally my friend! You haters just dont understand!' Like a sicker dumber version of the arguments i had about nft's five years ago. Fuck im sick of being earnest. I get more coherent responses and feel less like im shouting into the void when i just think of the dumbest shit i can possibly say and post that.
There is no reasonable definition of intelligence that this technology has.
rational
It literally cannot do that
Decisions
In the dame way a fist full of dice can make decisions; sure.
facts
If its programmed to run a script to do a google search and cite the first paragraph of wikipedia; sure. That function is basically eliza with an api call.
knowledge
Okay, sketch on what this actually means, but every answer i can think of, none of which im strongly committed to: still no.
Its a bullshit machine. Like recognizes like, but it can't do anything else. If you think its intelligent, that's because you are not.
Edit: And im really disappointed. I kind of always wanted a computer friend. I would adore the opportunity to midwife whole new forms of intelligence. That sounds really fucking cool. It's the kind of thing i dreamed of as a kid, and this shit being sold as my childhood aspirations is blackpilling as fuck. I think the widespread acceptance of the bullshit sales pitch, and fact it means we're less likely to get the real thing, has lead me to a lot of much more anti-human opinions than i used to have.
No, it doesnt. There is no interiority, no context, no meaning, no awareness, no continuity, such a long list of things intelligence does that this simply cqnt-not because its too small, but because the fundamental method cannot, at any scale, do these things.
There are a lot of definitions of intelligence, and these things dont fit any of them.
Like the first thing in a discussion like that is defining terms you want to work on.
If you're trying.