punkisundead

Yeah and still we should not push the message that Telegrams encryption is even remotely close to other encrypted messengers. I met more than one person that somehow thought their messages in Telegram are "safer" than they are in WhatsApp (and they never activated the encrypted chat oprion in Telegram)

It took the german goverment years to force Telegram to comply with their requests to get data and shut down specific groups. Also based on your location things that might be legal are not legal in a different location, from a German legal perspective there still lots of things happening in Telegram that are atleast a grey area(piracy, hate speech, porn) or straight up illegal(drugs, terrorist groups propaganda).

I am not in favor of the arrest or any goverment repression btw, I am just adding why goverments in europe might want to do stuff like this.

I dont think Telegram is something that I would call an "encrypted messenger"

Considering how hard it is for goverments to actually get Telegram to shutdown criminal chat groups or get chat logs (of unencrypted ) groups I think its at least more reasonable than the whole idea of banning E2E encryption.

80000+ Core Members. Seems like a big cult.

I judge people on plenty of things that are legal. You probably do it too

But did actually anyone actually pirate your music? Like is your music on a torrent indexer or shared on a site specific to music?

I have heard from friends that they got banned for using adblockers on free Spotify.

My account got deactivated after doing that (firefox+ublock). It was really sneaky because my password just stopped working. My account was reactivated by contacting the support and they never told me the reason why my account got deactivated.

You seem to have really high standards around who you trust and in the same moment you call Telegram secure. I feel like you should atleast use the same amount of scepticism for Telegram that you use for Signal.

This might not be relevant because you have other reasons not to use Signal, but you can get android signal directly from their website and via aurora store (on fdroid)

Just use Signal if you want an easy, relatively privacy friendly and secure messenger.

Telegram hands over data to goverments, is infested with spammers and scammers and its encryption is not end to end for group chat which lets Telegram access those chats.

Edit: Telegram is great for lots of things like big groups, communities, piracy, drugs etc but its just not the place where you should expect secure communication.