I think that's the difference: Pirate Bay and Silkroad knew they were inherently anti-establishment, but it seems to me that Parler and Gab think of themselves as "alternative establishment" or something.

Pirate Bay was never trying to compete with Netflix or Steam-- it's conceptually very different. But Parler very much wants (wanted?) to just be Twitter but with right-wing politics.

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Parler and gab just want to be mask-off racist twitter/facebook. Nothing anti-establishment there at all.

Pirate Bay and Silk Road were knowingly breaking the law in nearly every nation on earth and trying to avoid capture doing so, both failed to do so by various degrees. This is anti-establishment as they are flagrantly disobeying copyright and narcotics laws at these two sites.

Pirate Bay is still operational, just not by the original owner. I don’t know about Silk Road as I have no interest in drugs

[–] notasandwich1948@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

pretty sure silk road is gone irrc. I could be thinking of something else tho.

[–] Hexasphertate@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 months ago

Silk road is long gone but there are a plethora of other similar markets. Just like any other service in demand when one gets shutdown three more pop up in it's place.

[–] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That’s a great distinction, I’m gonna start stealing that.

Some people aren’t anti establishment, they are anti-not-my-establishment. You can’t call yourself anti establishment if you just don’t like the current one.

[–] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago

Totally. I'm not even sure how many do call themselves anti-establishment, but I do know that there's lots of talk on the right about building a "second economy" and "alternative public square" and stuff like the Daily Wire trying to make movies, all as part of this "fine, I'll open my own casino" kind of play. It's very purposefully establisment-focused, just not the existing one.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

It's simpler than that: fascists lie.