Socialism by definition is not anti establishment. It's anti current establishment but the philosophy is geared towards a bigger government "establishment".

[–] migo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 10 months ago (2 children)

No, it is not. Socialism does not mean statism. Please feel free to read up on libertarian socialism, Anarcho syndicalism or even eco socialism. The Greens/EFA in europe lean towards libertarian socialism.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Libertarian socialist here: Say it again for the people at the back.

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[–] toasteecup@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I was 100% not aware if libertarian socialism. Definitely something to learn about. Thank you

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I'm pretty sure that's the difference between anti establishing and anti government. the "establishment" is the established power structure. technically fascists ARE anti establishment in most places. and that's a very good thing.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Are they tho

Republicans are going mask off, Italy is run by fascists again, AfD is at 20%, Putin is invading neighbors and bankrolling white supremacists world wide, Israel's engaging in open genocide, their neighbors wish they could do the same, the second largest party in Sweden was founded by Neo-Nazis...

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[–] force@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Depends which sense of "socialism" you mean, purely Marxist socialism perhaps, socialism in general no.

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[–] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 116 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I think that's the difference: Pirate Bay and Silkroad knew they were inherently anti-establishment, but it seems to me that Parler and Gab think of themselves as "alternative establishment" or something.

Pirate Bay was never trying to compete with Netflix or Steam-- it's conceptually very different. But Parler very much wants (wanted?) to just be Twitter but with right-wing politics.

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Parler and gab just want to be mask-off racist twitter/facebook. Nothing anti-establishment there at all.

Pirate Bay and Silk Road were knowingly breaking the law in nearly every nation on earth and trying to avoid capture doing so, both failed to do so by various degrees. This is anti-establishment as they are flagrantly disobeying copyright and narcotics laws at these two sites.

Pirate Bay is still operational, just not by the original owner. I don’t know about Silk Road as I have no interest in drugs

[–] notasandwich1948@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

pretty sure silk road is gone irrc. I could be thinking of something else tho.

[–] Hexasphertate@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 months ago

Silk road is long gone but there are a plethora of other similar markets. Just like any other service in demand when one gets shutdown three more pop up in it's place.

[–] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That’s a great distinction, I’m gonna start stealing that.

Some people aren’t anti establishment, they are anti-not-my-establishment. You can’t call yourself anti establishment if you just don’t like the current one.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

It's simpler than that: fascists lie.

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[–] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 91 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (49 children)

Those fucks who run Parler aren’t anti-establishment, quite the opposite, they are boot licking fascists.

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 56 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My dad always said "Don't trust a man in a suit telling you who's wrong" but then again he fell in line with Trump when he grew old.

Christ, if that happens to me, kill me.

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 8 points 10 months ago

Don't worry, he did it so you won't get a chance to.

[–] Lord_ToRA@lemmy.world 42 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don't know what this is referring to, but GoDaddy can suck an entire warehouse of cocks.

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[–] 1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz 38 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I demand the government force this private company to provide me free speech.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Shit that makes you go https://i.imgur.com/rITNPGY.jpg

[–] uis@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Embed please.

[–] drathvedro@lemm.ee 30 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I would advice against hosting servers in Russia, though. Police raids on datacenters, where they literally rip servers out from the racks, are, unfortunately, a common occurence.

[–] zrose@lemmy.l0l.city 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Where would you recommend?

[–] drathvedro@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

IANAL, but, from a purely technical standpoint, Netherlands is a big hub of east-west Eurasian communications, so the latency, on average, is at least decent from everywhere on the continent. Germany seems to be popular option too, with lots of hosting companies just selling shares of Hetzner nodes. I myself host all my crap in the US because all the good stuff is over there. If you're asking about the pirate stuff... I don't know, maybe consider India? They seem to be struggling with cybercriminals over there

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[–] TheBig2023Meltdown@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Sweden? I know VPNs tend to like Sweden from a privacy standpoint

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fascists aren't anti establishment. Their whole thing is doing even worse things to preserve capitalism when it enters crisis.

[–] crackajack@reddthat.com 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They become the establishment.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, they always were. That's the point of fascism. To present an "alternative" that keeps the same group in power.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

We are on the anti establishment platform my guy

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I'm not a dev. What's a mirror? Sorry for being uncool.

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 35 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Basically a copy of the infrastructure, so that you can switch over, if the first/main instance is lost (by a government, for example).

[–] papalonian@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Hate when the government loses my servers :(

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 10 months ago

Literally a server standing by and doing the same thing as the other by being a backup in case the 1st gets taken down.

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[–] kusukasaka281@lemmy.id 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Gab has their own server infrastructure.

[–] FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

Apparently they’re working on Christian AI too lol

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Can we DDoS it?

[–] Random_German_Name@feddit.de 9 points 10 months ago

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