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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 34 points 3 days ago (7 children)

But “not guilty” is not the same as “innocent,” and dodging legal responsibility is not vindication.

Basically the courts don't matter and all that matters is public opinion? And this is where you launch into a "the courts are corrupt" and "the rich never get punished" or some similar BS?

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I mean are they wrong that the rich never really get punished? Trump and those 34 convictions that resulted in nothing already forgotten? Diddy getting a not guilty for the severe charges also forgotten?

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean are they wrong that the rich never really get punished?

Ekhm... Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein are suddenly no longer considered rich?

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So far Cosby's was overturned and he's not in jail, and Weinstein's was overturned and he is awaiting a retrial (granted, he is doing so in prison).

[–] Blooper@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 3 days ago

Lol all I could think was "these are terrible examples"

[–] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 days ago

Legal doesn't always mean morally right. He's a free man, but that doesn't mean he still needs to take up one of the rare vip spots, I'm sure there are unheard voices and talented actors who deserve it more.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago

The courts do matter, for legal decisions. They don't have the final say beyond that. Sure, you can use them as a data point, but the requirement for finding someone guilty for a criminal charge is "beyond a reasonable doubt" (aka, there's only a slim chance it isn't true).

Socially, that isn't required. Usually we only care if it's more likely than not. Sometimes, depending on the severity of the accusation, a lot of people have an even lower barrier for taking it into account to effect their opinion of the person. For example, if there's some evidence that someone is a murderer, but not "beyond a reasonable doubt," I'm probably not going to hang out with them, especially alone.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

When it comes to matters of judgement, I use my own. The courts don't have to be corrupt for them to fail sexual assault victims, but yes there is plenty of corruption, too.

Are you suggesting economics don't affect putcomes in the courts? Are you suggesting that there is no corruption within the judicial system? Are you saying that sexual predators always go to jail for their crimes?

[–] sloppysol@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What matters is what’s true, and the courts ARE getting more compromised every day. The rich get punished less, that’s the way it’s always worked.

I guess this is where you took the most extreme possible opposing view and argued against that.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Mate, are you saying that Spacey has more pull, or access to better lawyers, than Harvey Weinstein...?

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I guess this is where you took the most extreme possible opposing view and argued against that.

I wasn't wrong though. You just agreed with that exact position. 🤣

[–] sloppysol@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Point is there’s a spectrum of corruption and unfairness, and it’s getting worse. Guess you think the courts are perfectly fair and there’s no benefit to being rich? And I never said public opinion matters lol but fuck voting I guess, hooray for gerrymandering?

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz -1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I find this especially hilarious considering his cases were on around the same time as Cosby’s and Weinstein’s.

It seems people honestly believe that Kevin Spacey has more pull/better lawyers than Harvey fucking Weinstein…

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

Different jurors.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Different circumstances and different crimes, and especially different victims.

Also, Weinstein and Cosby were openly assaulting women for decades. They victimized hundreds of women, and Cosby isn't even in jail anymore.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world -3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Is defending spacey really the creep hill to die on?

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Me too but I ain’t gonna jump in to defend diddy cause he got off on the trafficking charges.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 days ago

Bully for you.