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[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 82 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (5 children)

It ain’t the junk in the garage, it’s the $80k and the spyware

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 40 minutes ago

You can get electric for only a slightly higher cost than gas, just not the "premium" ones. As for Spyware, that's any modern car. It has nothing to do with being electric.

[–] aword@feddit.online 48 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

Yup. Find me a car that respects my privacy and won't advertise to me and I'm in.

Edit to add: and no fuucking subscriptions to enable things the car can already do but disabled in software.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

How clean is your garage? Do you have one? Just curious.

[–] aword@feddit.online 10 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works -4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I do not understand people who use their garage to store useless crap and leave their car outside. The car is more valuable than the crap.

Dump all that useless junk into a dumpster. Get a bike shed, put the mower in it too.

The garage is for cars, not bikes, mowers or trash nobody cares about.

Looking at you California.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 4 points 6 hours ago

The car is more valuable than the crap.

Only if you spend way too much money on a depreciating asset that won't be that valuable for long. For that matter storing inside or outside makes zero difference to the value. The stuff in my garage is more valuable than my car (my car is 26 years old so this is a much lower bar than most people), is more sensitive to weather than my cars, and I enjoy it more than cars.

I don't get this obsession people have with depreciating assets like cars. They brag about how great they are, take good care of it, and then 3 years latter trade in that piece of junk...

Besides, the worst weather for cars is bright sun, and most cars are parked outside in a parking lot (at work) when it is sunny, and only put in the garage when it is dark.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

my ford EV has no subscriptions (other than the usual sirius XM and nav subs that all cars have). There is data collection but you are able to opt out.

Also this is more of an issue with new cars in general, not a reason to choose a new ICE vehicle over a new EV.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

If the car has an RF transmitter of any kind installed, it is a HARD no.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

is an RF transmitter in your phone a hard no as well?

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago

I have replaced all that junk on my phone with a clean system I trust. cars not only don't have alternative software, but using it would be illegal too.

I reckon it soon shall be, the way such things are trending.

The point you're trying to make is, if I willingly carry around a battery powered security hole in my pocket all the time, why should I be concerned about another one installed in my vehicle?

Well, should I decide I wish to travel without being monitored, I can leave my phone behind and still travel rapidly.

My phone does not have access to my vehicle's CAN bus; my phone cannot disable the vehicle from afar should it detect I performed my own repairs or that I am not christian or that my skin is browner than the dictator will tolerate or whatever else the police will decide to murder me for.

[–] Vakbrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

As opposed to what your comment implies, the drivetrain (EV or ICE) has nothing to do with cars spying on you. You should not blame the technology itself because shady car companies spying on your internet connected car. Most of them are well known ICE car brands that do the spying (GM, Volkswagen for instance)

Yes, most new ICE cars are Internet connected now, not just EVs.

Blame those greedy corporations, not the technology.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

exactly, data collection is an issue with new cars in general. It's not a reason to buy a new ICE car instead of a new EV.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

It is a reason to not buy a new car which means people who aren't buying new cars won't be buying EV's.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

They won't be buying new cars in the near future, but their cars will be wearing out and spare parts for old cars always become hard to find. Either they will be spending a large part of their time maintaining the car, including making parts from scratch, or they will forced to buy a new car anyway.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Our 10 year-old Highlander still drives like new. It's our newest vehicle, and one of Toyota's last generation of vehicles without a cellular connection.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 points 1 hour ago

The average car is 12 years old. Car makers start to drop support (making/stocking parts) when the car is about 10 years old. Come back and talk to me about that car when is is 25 years old and tell me how it is. I have a 26 year old truck, the bed has holes, the frame is showing signs of rot - I'm trying to decide if it is worth trying to rebuild the transmission, my mechanic isn't intersted in part because they are not sure if they can find the parts - they will be more than $1000 in labor in before they know wihch bearing it has and thus can check if it can be had.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 8 hours ago

You could always pick up a 9-year-old Bolt

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 2 points 17 hours ago

As a matter of fact, ICE cars were connected to the internet way before the first EV was connected to the internet.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

What does spyware have to do with EVs?

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Well my next car will be an EV so I’m holding on to the older car i have for now until some good option actually comes that’s reasonably priced and not spyware

[–] artyom@piefed.social 4 points 17 hours ago

If we ever see a Slate truck, that will be your best bet.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

with the used EV tax credit there are good options at ~20k.

edit: why downvotes? the used EV market is bigger every year and if the price is under $25k you get a ~$4k credit.