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[–] oh_@lemmy.world 19 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

What about transit? Why do Americans always have to drive. We need real alternatives to cars.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

The suburban sprawl makes building transit a lot harder but to fix that we need to increase density but then it’s hard to increase density when you need space for cars because you have no usable transit

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 11 minutes ago

It's really isn't difficult

Our government just won't spend the money to do it

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Most suburbs have plenty of density to support transit as proved in other countries that provide good transit to their areas of similar density. However most suburbs have such bad transit you can't use it for anything and to people start believing the idea that it is impossible to get them good transit and so they won't agree to get it.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

The American style suburbs where you have just single family homes and the closest stores are 5 miles away?

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 28 minutes ago (1 children)

I live in the suburbs. The older kids can bike to the local Walmart (save it) as there is a pedestrian tunnel that crosses under the main road, providing a complete pedestrian/bike path from one end of the town to the other.

I'd prefer if we had more of those, but it's something.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 1 points 19 minutes ago

That’s amazing you guys have actual transit infrastructure, near me you can find that in towns and cities but as soon as you get to the cookie cutter suburban developments you need to take 45mph roads with little to no shoulder to get to any stores

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 points 2 hours ago

Most suburbs a store is not that far. you will often drive more than that for a store you like but something is closer.

american suburb covers a lot of variation. If you have a horse as some of the least dense support that is different from ones where you get a postage stamp lot. Streetcar suburbs designed before cars are ess dense than the new developments they are putting is around me today.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Chicken and egg situation, Americans drive because that’s how their cities and suburbs are laid out (excluding NYC, for the most part).

They don’t rely on alternatives because they are slow, inconvenient or non-existent; alternatives can’t be built up as the costs can’t be justified based on existing patronage levels.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Plenty of US cities are built like NY, on grids, as circles, etc. The problem is that everything is far away.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago

It’s not so much about being built on a grid, but rather being built with a particularly high population density in mind - and further supported by a robust public transit network.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 3 points 5 hours ago

No, the problem is the network matters. When you can't get anywhere on transit you don't use it and in turn won't help improve it. I've many times looked at the transit options available to me and found I was unable to get my errand done on transit so I was forced to drive. One place I lived I checked and transit could do the job so I sold my car (but my wife still had hers because there were still many things we couldn't do on transit)

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 3 points 10 hours ago

transit

"We mean electric cars, you commie! The next time you talk about that thing, you are going out that window."

\s

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 22 points 13 hours ago

People can't afford a new car, let alone an EV, let alone a carport or car hole.

This is just tone deaf poor blaming.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Stupid article. You don't need 240 V , you can charge with a regular wall plug. For a lot of usage patterns this is more than enough.

[–] Skysurfer@slrpnk.net 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

You can make it work on 120V, it just uses ~20-30% more energy due to the overhead of running all the vehicle systems for so much longer while charging.

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

I think that number is a bit off. Yes, there is overhead when charging a car to run its battery management system, heat losses in the wiring, etc. But it's not 20-30% of the ~kilowatt of power you'd run through level 1. A quick search says that 20% loss is at the higher end for level 1 (probably 15% on the lower end) but even level 2 has about a 10% loss.

The bigger issue is that level 1 just doesn't have nearly as much power as level 2. Most cars charge at level 1 at 8-16 amps. Most level 2 setups charge at a few times that, plus the voltage is doubled so the total power ends up being about 10x as much. But that's not to say everyone needs that power either. Honestly, for the average driver it's quite easy to make level 1 work.

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[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 79 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (18 children)

It ain’t the junk in the garage, it’s the $80k and the spyware

[–] aword@feddit.online 47 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (10 children)

Yup. Find me a car that respects my privacy and won't advertise to me and I'm in.

Edit to add: and no fuucking subscriptions to enable things the car can already do but disabled in software.

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[–] Vakbrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (6 children)

As opposed to what your comment implies, the drivetrain (EV or ICE) has nothing to do with cars spying on you. You should not blame the technology itself because shady car companies spying on your internet connected car. Most of them are well known ICE car brands that do the spying (GM, Volkswagen for instance)

Yes, most new ICE cars are Internet connected now, not just EVs.

Blame those greedy corporations, not the technology.

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[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (15 children)

How about talking to the landlords who refuse to install EV chargers? Or maybe talk to manufacturers who won't sell a basic EV that isn't overpriced?

This is just "Am I out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong!" again.

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[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 13 points 17 hours ago

If you need to top off with 200 - 300 miles of range every night, you commute sucks giant donkey balls.

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